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Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« on: Mar 8th, 2009, 5:58am »
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Problem: Switch between CC 83 and CC 84 by the same PC message - my intrument sends from its buttons only PC messages but I need at the intput of the slave instrument the two CC to switch between selected voice on/ off.
Thanks in advance. Smiley
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Re: Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« Reply #1 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 11:13am »
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This thread may help:
http://www.midiox.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Mapping;action=display; num=1204611195
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Re: Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« Reply #2 on: Mar 9th, 2009, 5:47pm »
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Thanks, but I don´t get it switching, neither does it accept a map change in properties field of port map. Change to new map only after data map edit and ok.
 
 DATA MAP 2 ( inserted patch map field 1)
 Ch Message V1Min V1Max V2Min V2Max C|Ch Message V1Min V1Max V2Min V2Max
  1 ProgChg     4     4     *     *  | 1 Ctrl       80    80     1     1
  * ProgChg     4     4     *     *  | * ProgChg     2     2     *     *
 Wait for complete NRPN: Off, NRPN Data Incr: Off, Send Full NRPN: Off
 Map is: On, PC Keyboard Mapping: Off
 DEVICE INFORMATION
 IN:   2) 1:EDIROL PCR 1
 OUT:  4) Out To MIDI Yoke:  1
   In: 2) 1:EDIROL PCR 1
     Details/Chan: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,CM,RT,Sx
     Port Data Map: "PC1.oxm" (= data map 1)
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Re: Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« Reply #3 on: Mar 10th, 2009, 1:51pm »
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I've not said anything about a port map.
 
You need two data mappings and a patch map to choose which is in effect.
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Re: Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« Reply #4 on: Mar 11th, 2009, 3:08pm »
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Sorry for wasting Your time with an incomplete and unintentionally submitted setup of one of my trial and error versions.
 
The screenshot below shows my interpretation of Your advice, but the map change was done manually.
 
Remote triggering  by direct PC0 and PC1 activates the corresponding map (not shown, works as explained in handbook), but there is no switching between the maps using the same PC4. (sreenshot)  
 
PSE don´t let me struggle to much by Your legendary short hints. I did my best, although I have no idea where in the data flow of my setup the patch map should do the switching work.
 
 
Image follows as soon as I found out how to upload it.
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Re: Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« Reply #5 on: Mar 12th, 2009, 5:35pm »
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You're confusing me a bit.  In your first message, you said
> Problem: Switch between CC 83 and CC 84 by the same PC message
Now you're talking about PC0, PC1 and PC4 - that's three different PC messages, not the same message.  And in your map, you've referred to CC 80.
 
I assumed you wanted:
PC0 -> CC/83/somevalue
PC0 -> CC/84/somevalue
- that is, one incoming MIDI message alternating between two outgoing MIDI messages.
 
Is that what you're after, or is it more complex?
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Re: Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« Reply #6 on: Mar 14th, 2009, 5:27pm »
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on Mar 12th, 2009, 5:35pm, Peter L Jones wrote:

I assumed you wanted:
PC0 -> CC/83/somevalue
PC0 -> CC/84/somevalue
- that is, one incoming MIDI message alternating between two outgoing MIDI messages.

 
Thanks for Your effort of claryfing: Your assumption is right.
 
Off the above probem: PSE give me a hint how to upload images. I can´t see the oviously obvious. So as a bypass solution I sent the screenshot mentioned in the last post to webmaster "at" midiox.com a few days ago.
 
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Re: Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« Reply #7 on: Mar 15th, 2009, 2:52pm »
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OK, now I come to try it...
 
I can't seem to get it to work myself.  The patch mapping seems to be happening before the data mapping...  Which means it only ever loads the first map.
 
You'll have to look into writing a scripted solution.
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Re: Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« Reply #8 on: Mar 17th, 2009, 9:17am »
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Even though, thanks...and Midi-Ox remains a powerfull SW. A pitty scripting being a book with seven seals for me!
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Re: Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« Reply #9 on: Mar 29th, 2009, 9:26pm »
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Peter:  Yes, it was decided that Patch mapping should pre-empt data mapping.
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Re: Switch betw 2 CC by same PC message
« Reply #10 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 10:41am »
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OOOps, unfortunately I have not the faintest idea of reliable scripting. The times of BASIC  and FORTRAN have gone.
 
I would appreciate it very much if somebody could provide help or a stable routine, say against a fair donation to Midi-Ox.
 
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