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UNCLHECKING the "attach inputs to outputs" box
« on: Dec 19th, 2002, 5:46pm » |
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THE LINE IN THE MANUAL: [[ The connections of Ports not listed or described in the preset being applied remain unmodified (they retain the current connections and attributes). ]] is why I've created a PROGRAM change patch that has both a port map AND a data map patch that it triggers off.
Is it true that when I was informed that :
]]"[ ] Automatically attach inputs to outputs during selection. If this option is unchecked, then attachments from both Manual selection and from Presets do not attach Ins to Outs by default. You are using Presets - right? You must be if you are using the Patch mapping feature with this. ]]
this means that IF I leave the box unchecked, which I HAVE. This means that I don't need to CLEAR all the port mapping or something.
Jamie can you clarify this. If I am going to use prgram changes to trigger port AND data REmapping I thought I HAD to consider the already in place port mapping as any new port map would simply be added to the existing one.
What exactly , may I ask does the UNCLECKING of the box as mentioned above do?
Thanks!
a big perplexed here on this point.
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Re: UNCLHECKING the "attach inputs to outputs" box
« Reply #1 on: Dec 19th, 2002, 6:18pm » |
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My objective is to play my keyboard and have one patch send say a keysplit of channels 1,2,3, and 4 out of port 1 ONLY. and the hit my foot controller and send a program change to the ox and THEN be sending out say channels 1 and 2 keysplit from say the lower half of my keyboard out of PORT 1 ONLY and on this say patch say channels 3 out of port 3 and channel 4 out of port 4 ONLY.
The room for this to be a LARGELY uncreative headache has a LOT to do with Cubase SX with is my VST host. I have to select all the tracks I want to be ABLE to have READY to play. Luckily it appears that IF I save the song in SX WITH the tracks highlighted/selected THEN upon load they are STILL highlighted.
FURTHER to that need it apears that I have to use the input transformer on each track so that it ONLY responds to one channel. I may find that i'm wrong on this.
ANYWAYS... it's ALL too too too complicated and I speak from many years of trying to tame this beast. The creative process would be GREATLY improved IF I could use the M-OX to easily set my keysplits and channelizingz on a per port basis.
This will get easier for me to get my head around As I continue to work on it here.
Haven't I understood it correctly? Do I NEED to CLEAR the Port map before laying in another one via program change port/data mapping with this program change feature?
I've set up an ALL port channels deleted port map and have set that to program change 128 so I hit my footpedal it clears all the port channels out.... then I am free to lay in another port map/data map program change that has the right
PORT/KEYSPLIT/CHANELLIZNGS for the next song.
ALL in all just a few brain cells too many for me. I'll go for it.
I DO wish there was a simpler way.
I use to gig with LOGIC and all I had to do was increment and decrement via mid to a different track on the arrange page and the most glorious remapping would take place.
There are REASONS NOT yto work this way now and I'm just on a learning curve I guess.
i've always like it to be ME that's the problem. Then I remain in control and can change things.
Cool that! And Hope is cheap!
Thanks ALL
twerp
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Re: UNCLHECKING the "attach inputs to outputs" box
« Reply #2 on: Dec 21st, 2002, 1:07pm » |
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Quote:| [ ] Automatically attach inputs to outputs during selection. If this option is unchecked, then attachments from both Manual selection and from Presets do not attach Ins to Outs by default. |
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I think I misstated that: While that is true for manual selection, Presets always obey their configuration. You should experiments to verify that this is true, and I went back and did that myself to convince myself of this fact.
The only thing that presets can't do is to open devices which are not already open. They can completely reroute any open devices.
Quote:| The connections of Ports not listed or described in the preset being applied remain unmodified (they retain the current connections and attributes). |
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What this means is that a preset created when a different set of ports are open, can't describe connections for ports currently open now (and that are not part of the original set).
To avoid this situation, it's best to uncheck: [ ] Automatically attach inputs to outputs during selection., open ALL the inputs and outputs you will use in your maps, and then begin creating routing Presets. It doesn't matter how that switch is set later, as the preset will describe the connections.
To understand this better, I suggest you make some experimental presets, and then invoke them to see how they affect the ports.
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Re: UNCLHECKING the "attach inputs to outputs" box
« Reply #3 on: Dec 21st, 2002, 1:52pm » |
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GREAT: the only thing I'd like Not to have to experimewnt with is Whether any already open ports will stay open or close if I send a close port command.
Tricky to explain....Gotta run out....
I'll be thinkin of the OX during my trip to the shops!
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Re: UNCLHECKING the "attach inputs to outputs" box
« Reply #4 on: Dec 21st, 2002, 2:27pm » |
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I'm not sure how you would issue a "close port" command, but by not attaching an input to an output, it effectively disables that input. But it doesn't close the port -- it's still available for other routings and presets.
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Re: UNCLHECKING the "attach inputs to outputs" box
« Reply #5 on: Dec 21st, 2002, 10:26pm » |
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I created a program change that had a PORT map strapped to in that has ALL channels DELETED yet the 4 ports are still there. I was PLANNING to fire off this program change BEFORE every PLAYABLE program change. Each playable one would have a port map attached to in (with data map as weell of course) that would select the channels for each port I wanted to route to my unitor 8.
That wasthe plan until I found (am I right?) that there's curremntly no way to route all 16 channels to each of, say 4 poutputs... SEPERATELY.
For example each channel ONE would go to all 4 ports IF they were on....
SO really I can only have 16 seperate channel going out of however many outputs I have ON.
If this is so then it's good to know as the MSB 8x8 router will handle that port routing biz until the OX does at some point in the ....um.....future!!!!!
Hurray...i'd MUCH rather have an ALL software solution....
much safer for gigging for ME as I have backup partitions, drives and all from years of blissful failure.
Amazing how useful Failure can be!
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Re: UNCLHECKING the "attach inputs to outputs" box
« Reply #6 on: Dec 30th, 2002, 1:24pm » |
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Quote:I created a program change that had a PORT map strapped to in that has ALL channels DELETED yet the 4 ports are still there. I was PLANNING to fire off this program change BEFORE every PLAYABLE program change. Each playable one would have a port map attached to in (with data map as weell of course) that would select the channels for each port I wanted to route to my unitor 8.
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The channels are still there because non-channel data (SysEx and System) is still being routed to them. You can route any channels from any input device to one or more output devices. That is the whole point of the routing feature. Did you check to see where channels were being routed (in the output monitor)?
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Re: UNCLHECKING the "attach inputs to outputs" box
« Reply #7 on: Dec 31st, 2002, 8:09am » |
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Thanks Jamie....getting serious here.... I'm having a great time and will report back soon..!!
Appreciate the INFO!
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