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Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« on: Jun 14th, 2004, 2:26am » |
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Hi all,
This is my first post. My needs for midi are pretty basic. I hope you can help me out with a problem. I downloaded Midiox today in order to read patch change data between an editing program on my computer and a Yamaha MagicStomp, which is a little preamp/digital modeller. It connects to the computer via USB.
I have a Rocktron Midi Mate foot controller which I have attached to the midi input of my computer (Creative Soundblaster Platinum Audigy) - the idea being to send patch changes to the MagicStomp as the MagicStomp is pretty limited in terms of patch switching.
I can see the Sound Blaster and the Yamaha midi inputs and outputs in the midi devices dialog in Midiox. I can select them and see them connected in the routing view. The REC panel on the bottom right is activated. The inputs and outputs are shown as opened in the Monitor screen. However, when I press a button on the footpedal, sending a patch change, nothing is displayed in the monitor screen. When I use the Yamaha editing software to send a patch change to the MagicStomp, the MagicStomp changes patches, but again nothing is displayed in the Monitor screen.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
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Allan
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Re: Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« Reply #1 on: Jun 14th, 2004, 2:15pm » |
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In "MIDI Filter", make sure none of the boxes are checked, except for "Display SysEx messages in monitors".
Can you confirm you've not connected anything to anything in the MIDI Port Routing panel?
If you fire up the MIDI Port Activity panel, is the stompbox listed? If so, do any of the lights flash when you stomp?
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Re: Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« Reply #2 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 5:46am » |
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Thanks for responding Peter.
None of the boxes are selected in the Midi filter.
I have tried all variations of connections, Rocktron to Stomp, Rocktron + Stomp to Stomp, Stomp to Stomp.
The Stomp is visible in the Midi Port Activity monitor. When the Stomp to Stomp connection in place, regardless of any other connection I might have, I can see the Port activity lights flashing in the RT column for those devices. No other lights activate no matter what I do, including stomping the Stomp.
Running out of ideas I am afraid. Midi always seems to be something I never quite get.
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Re: Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« Reply #3 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 1:19pm » |
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Sorry, but I'm not sure I understood your reply right.
Can you confirm you have nothing connected in the MIDI Port Routing panel?
If you start with nothing connected, it's easier to work out what's working and what isn't.
Can you confirm where each port is listed - i.e. state whether it's listed as an "Input" or as an "Output". If a port you're expecting data from is not listed as an input, go into the MIDI devices popup and select it.
Again, sorry to be picky.
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Re: Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« Reply #4 on: Jun 16th, 2004, 6:09am » |
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Sorry Peter, I misunderstood. Please don't apologise, I appreciate you taking the time to help out.
I have "disconnected all" in the MIDI Port Routing Panel.
The Input Ports are:
1. Yamaha USB IN 0-1
2. SB Audigy MIDI IO [E800]
3. SB Audigy MIDI IO 2 [E800]
3. MIDI-OX Event Port
The Output Port is:
1. Yamaha USB OUT 0-1
These are the only MIDI devices attached to the computer.
With all disconnected, the only lights flashing on the MIDI Port Activity Monitor are the light to the left of the first Input Port (the Yamaha USB IN 0-1) and the corresponding light under RT.
When stomping on the Stomp and changing patches in the Editing Software, no activity is shown in the Port monitor nor in the main Monitor panel. I wouldn't expect any activity during stomping as I don't think any messages need to be sent to the computer. I think the only messages that come from the stomp are patch or bulk dumps and communications to facilitate editing via the Editing software. However, I would expect to see the patch chage though when I execute it via the Editing software.
Thanks again.
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Allan
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Re: Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« Reply #5 on: Jun 16th, 2004, 9:24am » |
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Quote:| When stomping on the Stomp and changing patches in the Editing Software, no activity is shown in the Port monitor nor in the main Monitor panel. |
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You have the Rocktron MIDI Out connected to the Yamaha MIDI In - right? When you step on the Rocktron it is supposed to send a patch change via MIDI?
What devices is the Editing software attached to?
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Re: Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« Reply #6 on: Jun 16th, 2004, 1:51pm » |
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on Jun 16th, 2004, 6:09am, bigkid wrote:| However, I would expect to see the patch chage though when I execute it via the Editing software. |
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Not necessarily...
First, if you've got the output port open in MIDI OX, it's quite likely that you won't actually be able to open it in the Editing software. (Most MIDI port devices only allow a single application to open them.) So, while you've got the port open to monitor in MIDI OX, nothing else can open it, so there's nothing to monitor..!
Okay - have you got MIDI Yoke installed? If not, get it and give this a go. MIDI Yoke's MIDI port device driver allows multiple applications to open it, which is useful. But it needs some careful handling. I'll assume you've got it installed.
In MIDI OX, go into the MIDI Devices panel and, in the input area, pick one of the MIDI Yoke devices. Click OK.
Just to prove whether this is going to work, go into your editing software and change the MIDI Output port to the MIDI Yoke junction you're using. If you do an edit now you should see activity in MIDI OX.
The data is flowing from the Editor, through a MIDI Yoke output port, along the MIDI Yoke junction and then MIDI OX is reading it from a MIDI Yoke input port. But that's where it stops.
You want the data to go out to the Yamaha -- so in the MIDI Port Routing window, drag a link from the MIDI Yoke junction input to the Yamaha output.
I'll stop there for now - if that hasn't worked like I expect, I'll be even more confused..! 
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Re: Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« Reply #7 on: Jun 17th, 2004, 5:45am » |
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Hi Jamie, Peter.
Quote:| You have the Rocktron MIDI Out connected to the Yamaha MIDI In - right? When you step on the Rocktron it is supposed to send a patch change via MIDI? |
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Physically or virtually Jamie? The Rocktron is connected physically to the SB Audigy midi input and the Yamaha to the USB input of the computer. In midiox I had the SB midi input connected to the Yamaha output. I have just reversed them as indicated in your response and I get "Active Sensing" messages in the Midi monitor by no messages when I depress the buttons on the Rocktron.
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Jamie, the editing software operates the Yamaha MagicStomp preamp via usb. Is that what you are asking?
Peter, no, you are right. I can't open the Yamaha output with the editing software and Midiox at the same time.
No, I don't have Midi Yoke installed. I'll have to do that on the weekend and then follow your instructions. I'll get back to as soon as I have done that.
Thanks guys. Will be in touch soon.
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Allan
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Re: Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« Reply #8 on: Jun 21st, 2004, 5:07am » |
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Hi Peter,
I have managed to install Midi Yoke and set it up as you suggested. I have midi messages in the monitor screen but the commands don't seem to be getting through to the Yamaha, or if they do they are being corrupted. When I change patches in the editing software no change occurs in the Yamaha, however, every now and then the Yamaha will lock up, show a midi error has occurred on its display screen and instruct me to press any button to reset. So something appears to be getting through.
I also have a question for you as it seems that I have been completely confusing my inputs and outputs. Can you tell me what my physical and virtual paths should be in order to change patches using the Rocktron foot pedal (leaving aside for the time being the fact that I need to identify the relevant messages etc). Should the path be as follows:
Rocktron midi out --> SB Midi out --> SB Midi out (virtual) --> Midi Yoke out --> Midi Yoke in --> Midi Ox in --> Yamaha in --> USB to Yamaha.
Thanks again for spending the time on this.
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Allan
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Re: Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« Reply #9 on: Jun 21st, 2004, 1:36pm » |
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on Jun 21st, 2004, 5:07am, bigkid wrote:| Rocktron midi out --> SB Midi out --> SB Midi out (virtual) --> Midi Yoke out --> Midi Yoke in --> Midi Ox in --> Yamaha in --> USB to Yamaha. |
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Noooooo....!!
You always connect an Out to an In.
Data comes OUT of the port marked "Out" and goes IN through the port marked "In".
So, the external bit looks like this:
"Bit of Kit" Out port -> (MIDI cable) -> PC In port
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PC Out port -> (MIDI cable) -> "Bit of Kit" In port
Okay, so what happens in software. Let's start with another simple example.
-> PC In port )- Cubase gets input from here
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Cubase sends output here -( PC Out port ->
That's not so bad. If you replace "Cubase" by "MIDI OX", everything coming in the PC In port goes straight out the PC Out port... As you've got MIDI Yoke, I'll include it in this example.
MIDI Yoke is like virtual MIDI cables plugged into your PC. So, you can get MIDI OX to get input from a PC In port and send output to a PC Out port that belongs to MIDI Yoke rather than being connected to some bit of kit:
-> PC In port )- MIDI OX gets input from here
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MIDI OX sends output here -( PC Out port -> MIDI Yoke Junction 1
Like I said, MIDI Yoke is virtual MIDI cable, so it follows that the other end must be plugged into something - clearly a PC In port. Like any PC In port, applications can open it to get MIDI data.
Equally, like MIDI cable, if you had both In and Out connected to the same thing, you'd get loopback - not usually what you want, so take care.
Okay, so back to your example and we have:
Rocktron MIDI Out--> MIDI Cable -> SB Midi IN )- MIDI OX get input from here
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MIDI OX sends output here -( USB MIDI Out -> "MIDI cable (over USB)" -> Yamaha "MIDI In (over USB)"
So no MIDI Yoke required.
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Re: Cannot monitor midi patch changes
« Reply #10 on: Jun 22nd, 2004, 7:09am » |
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Thanks again Peter. I have it cabled up correctly now and I am seeing messages from the rocktron unit into the PC in the following format (selecting Patch 1):
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
00000E24 11 2 C0 01 -- 1 --- PC: Brite Acc. Piano
And I see messages being sent from the editing software to the Yamaha in the following format (selecting Patch 1):
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
0003A058 2 2 F0 Buffer: 15 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 7D 30 55 42 39 39 00 20 20 00 00 00 37
0003A0A8 2 2 F0 Buffer: 47 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 7D 30 55 42 39 39 00 7F 20 01 00 00 00 00 00 03
SYSX: 4C 00 3C 17 38 00 2E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
SYSX: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 32 00 00
0003A0EF 2 2 F0 Buffer: 142 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 7D 30 55 42 39 39 00 00 30 13 00 3D F7 00 00 03
SYSX: 4C 00 3C 17 38 00 2E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
SYSX: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 32 00 00 4E 00 49 37 34 3B 45
SYSX: 00 10 04 4D 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 07 26 04 05 00 00
SYSX: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 64 64 41
SYSX: 07 09 00 00 00 00 65 00 2C 05 05 5A 00 00 00 00 00 00
SYSX: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
SYSX: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 14 F7
0003A0EF 2 2 F0 Buffer: 15 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 7D 30 55 42 39 39 00 00 30 13 00 3D F7
I now just need to work out how to convert the former into the latter. Do you have any ideas on why the patch changes from the editing software are not registering on the Yamaha except for the occasional midi error??
Regards,
Allan
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