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mrspeakerhead
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Still desperate for advice!
« on: Aug 26th, 2005, 12:28pm » |
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Does anyone know how to set up Midi-Ox / myokent so that I can use XGEdit with Cubasis VST 5? I've tried everything I can think of (not a lot then!) and only ever manage to crash or slow up the PC! I have posted before, and I've looked back through previous posts. Please help!!
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #1 on: Aug 26th, 2005, 3:57pm » |
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My standard advice:
Get a piece of paper.
For each device you're using, draw a box and label it with the device name. Mark on the MIDI In and MIDI Out ports that the device has.
Now think of each piece of software you want to concurrently take input from or send output to a device. Again, draw a box for each and label the box.
Next, draw a line from each MIDI In to each piece of software taking input from that device. Then do the same for each MIDI Out. (Make them arrows as a reminder: inputs pointing in to the software, outputs pointing out to the port.)
You now have a picture of what you're trying to achieve.
Where an In or Out port has more than one piece of software connected, you either need that port to have a multi-client driver (unlikely!) or use MIDI Yoke with MIDI OX.
So, if you haven't got both installed, do that first. Then test your installation.
Where you've got a port that has multiple "clients" (software taking input from the port or sending output to the port), you need to use a MIDI Yoke Junction instead (replacing "real" Inputs with MIDI Yoke Inputs, and likewise of outputs).
Then you open the "other end" of the MIDI Yoke Junction in MIDI OX and have MIDI OX connect to the "real" port.
(Maybe I could knock up a PDF of this with some pictures and screenshots...)
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #2 on: Aug 27th, 2005, 11:34am » |
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Peter. Thanks for your reply. I still don't get it! When I open midi devices there's no reference to the software, so how do I connect it?
Can I run this by you...my midi input is the onboard soundcard, which I've 'connected'. The output is an SW60XG wavetable card, which I've 'connected'. In between are Cubasis VST5 and XGEdit. These are the bits of software I need to get talking to each other, but can't suss.
If you could explain the connection process in a 'Midi-Ox for dummies' format, it really would help!
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #3 on: Aug 28th, 2005, 5:40am » |
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Okay... I've knocked up a PDF file that's specific to this query but it should be generally useful.
http://www.drealm.info/MIDI/set%20it%20up.pdf
You may want to jump to the last page. If you find that's not enough, read through from the start.
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #4 on: Aug 28th, 2005, 6:15am » |
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Peter. Can't thank you enough for that - brilliant! I've only just downloaded the PDF so I'll get back to you when I've had a chance to try it out.
Thanks again.
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #5 on: Aug 29th, 2005, 10:48am » |
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Peter...HUGE thanks for the PDF. I followed your instructions and the programs are now 'talking' again! I would never have sussed it out without your input, so thanks again.
I've got a couple of compatibility problems now, but I'm sure I'll be able ro resolve them through the different program settings. Dont'worry, I won't be seeking your help just yet! 
Kindest regards.
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #6 on: Aug 29th, 2005, 11:36am » |
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Nice. Thanks Peter!
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #7 on: Aug 29th, 2005, 12:30pm » |
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mrspeakerhead - good to hear it got you going. Could anything in the doc be changed to make it easier to follow or clearer?
Jamie: I've got the OpenDocument Text file in the same location on my website, with .odt on the end rather than .pdf, if you can use it. If I get some more time, I'll try to make it a bit more generalised (but sticking with a specific example -- given how often XGEdit comes up, this one's a good one to use, too!).
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #8 on: Aug 30th, 2005, 12:50pm » |
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Hi again Peter. The only things that spring to mind are: -
1- Perhaps label the inputs and outputs on your graphics as described in the text.
2- Include instructions for using multiple editors / programs, but in the same simple text format.
3- Add a note that you might have to disable midi-thru in one or more programs to prevent midi feedback (one of the reasons I delayed replying to you).
If I think of anything else I'll certainly let you know because your PDF is more than worth developing. I've asked so many 'experienced' PC users / midi 'experts' (including a programmer for the MOD) to try and work out how to set up Midi-Ox / Yoke, and all of them failed. Your instruction had me up and running in minutes - that says an awful lot!
Hope you fnd this as constructive as I found your input.
Keep up the good work!
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #9 on: Aug 30th, 2005, 1:55pm » |
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Thanks for taking the time to respond! I wouldn't have thought of the "MIDI Thru" problem.
(I'm glad I put the URL to this thread in the file -- when I get time, I'll be able to find the comments!)
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #10 on: Sep 3rd, 2005, 12:29pm » |
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Hi Peter.
Sorry to have to get back to you again! I mentioned in one of my posts that despite the system now running I was experiencing 'other' problems. I was looking over your PDF again and think I'm running XGEdit and Cubasis in parallel (?), which I think are causing the problems. Is there any chance you could explain how to run a series chain with XGedit inputting to Cubasis then out to the SW60XG?
If you throw your hands in the air and shout 'NOT AGAIN' I'll understand!
Again, thanks in advance.
Bob. (mrspeakerhead)
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 3rd, 2005, 2:19pm » |
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Yes - they're arranged like in the picture in the PDF.
Putting them in series is a little different:
[MIDI source]->[XGEdit]->[YOKE out]->[YOKE in]->[Cubasis]->[MIDI sink]
No MIDI OX required.
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #12 on: Sep 19th, 2005, 12:25pm » |
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Hi again Peter,
Feel awkward posting again but have to ask the question! I did as you suggested and used midi-yoke but i'm not getting the output from xgedit reflected in cubasis. I looked on the 'synthedit' page and there's a setup called 'Dual Program With XGedit Record Mode' which I think is what I need. As far as I understand this needs an instance of midi-ox which, as you are probably well aware, I don't know how to set up. Any help would once again be gratefully recieved.
Regards.
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Re: Still desperate for advice!
« Reply #13 on: Sep 20th, 2005, 3:36am » |
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You'll have to either draw out or explain how you want the connections -- I'm clearly failing to guess what you mean.
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