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Ingeborg
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configuration of a Stand alone as a VST Inst
« on: Oct 14th, 2005, 9:22am » |
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Hi to everybody
I try to use my OpenSource drumsampler Hydrogen (WIN)
(http://www.hydrogen-music.org) with LogicAudio (PC) as Host in realtime. But how to do? It is not very comfortable to import and export the files all time.
Have I to use Midiox or MIDI Yoke, or both? I read and study your topics , but more I read - less I know. Well, please tell me: Is it possible to use the standalone as a VSTi?
Iīm lucky for everybodies help and tipps.
Best regards
Inge
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Re: configuration of a Stand alone as a VST
« Reply #1 on: Oct 14th, 2005, 2:50pm » |
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Hopefully you found this thread and read the PDF file.
VSTi is a protocol for plugins. By its nature you need a "host" application of some sort to run the plugins. Neither MIDI OX nor MIDI Yoke is any kind of VST host. Do a Google search on "SAVIhost" or "TobyBear's MiniHost".
Where they do come in, though, is if you're running a stand alone softsynth and want to control it from a MIDI seqencer -- as if it was an external hardware synth. MIDI Yoke lets you run a virtual MIDI cable from the sequencer to the soft synth. MIDI OX lets you do fancy MIDI routing and rejigging of the MIDI data stream between two or more MIDI ports (either hardware or virtual).
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Re: configuration of a Stand alone as a VST Inst
« Reply #2 on: Oct 17th, 2005, 2:51am » |
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Hi Peter,
thank you for your answer. LOGIC is a Hostsequezer. Iīm able to use other VSTs,like EXS24, KOMPAKT as well. Now I want to use the "standalone" Hydrogen via Host. I toke a look at your pdf-file. If i try this settings, will it be work?
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Your Newbabie Inge. 
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Re: configuration of a Stand alone as a VST
« Reply #3 on: Oct 17th, 2005, 2:05pm » |
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You have to say what you mean before I can answer the question.
How do you define "work" in your example? What are you expecting to happen?
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Re: configuration of a Stand alone as a VST Inst
« Reply #4 on: Oct 17th, 2005, 3:09pm » |
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OK, I try to describe exactly:
My setup at the moment: The Hardware is my Yamaha Keyboard and the Host Software is Logic (WIN).
Yamaha Key (Midi Out) -- cable -> (Midi In) Logic.
Now I use the Hydrogen, too. But: Hydrogen havenīt a Rewire-Interface, it is only a standalone, so Iīm not able to connect it to my Host. (Like a VST)
Now I take a look at your describtion of the pdf-Link.
When Iīm doing your "pdf-To-Do-List", can I solve my problem?
Exactly: Is it posible to integrate Hydrogen via MidiOX an Yoke into Logic?
I followed your pdf-tipps at the startpoint:
"Run MIDI OX" - Select the "Options" menue an pick "Midi Devices..." and so on.
But it wasnīt very succsessful, so Iīm not sure Iīm on the right way now.
Oh, itīs soooo complicated.
Hopefully I donīt drive you to desperation
Inge.
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Re: configuration of a Stand alone as a VST
« Reply #5 on: Oct 17th, 2005, 5:36pm » |
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You still haven't said what you want to happen.
MIDI OX and MIDI Yoke only deal with MIDI data.
A drum sampler deals with audio data. Audio is not MIDI.
How do you expect Hydrogen and LogicAudio to interact with each other? Do you expect to be able to process audio created by Hydrogen the same way as if it was a VST plugin? If so, you won't find MIDI tools of any sort much use.
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Re: configuration of a Stand alone as a VST Inst
« Reply #6 on: Oct 18th, 2005, 4:22am » |
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Hi Peter,
you wrote:
* MIDI OX and MIDI Yoke only deal with MIDI data.
* A drum sampler deals with audio data. Audio is not MIDI.
Right, i know the differences.
* How do you expect Hydrogen and LogicAudio to interact with each *other? Do you expect to be able to process audio created by
* Hydrogen the same way as if it was a VST plugin? If so, you won't * find MIDI tools of any sort much use.
OK, I can see clearly now:
1. In my case Midi is only internal use of Hydrogen - nothing to do with Logic. Correct? I donīt have to make a midiconnection.
2.Now, I expect:
The Hydrogens Output "Audio (Wave)" have to go "realtime" to INPUT "Audio-Track" Logic.
I hope to get advantage: If thereīs a groove wrong, I switch to standalone hydrogen - change, and the result sounds realtime in Logicīs Input. I want to see the Input-Signal on LogicTrackmixer.
So, I donīt have to make a midiconnection - only audio.
Correct, too?
But how to do?
Uff.
Bye. Inge.
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Re: configuration of a Stand alone as a VST
« Reply #7 on: Oct 18th, 2005, 1:29pm » |
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on Oct 18th, 2005, 4:22am, Ingeborg wrote:| The Hydrogens Output "Audio (Wave)" have to go "realtime" to INPUT "Audio-Track" Logic. |
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Under Linux, you'd do this with JACK. Under Windows, I don't know of any tool that does this kind of audio routing.
Worst case: use a VSTi sampler to get the MIDI track together and save to a Standard MIDI File. Then run the MIDI file through Hydrogen and write an audio file. Then process the audio file in Logic.
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Re: configuration of a Stand alone as a VST Inst
« Reply #8 on: Oct 18th, 2005, 2:45pm » |
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Thatīs the way I do first. But that`s not very comfortable. Therefore Iīm looking for another way.
Actually I try to do a internal Audio-Loop-Back via Soundcard: Hydrogen Audio-Out to Logic-Audio-Input . I donīt need any cables, itīs a Submix. It works - but I donīt have any experience about Latenz. I try to sync now. Maybe itīs acceptable to work.
Peter,
thank you very much for emergency service.
Inge
 
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