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Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« on: Jan 31st, 2008, 7:45pm » |
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I'm a newbie with Midi-Ox, running V7.O on a XP Pro Computer.
Midi-Ox is connecting with keyboards in the studio as I can see data appearing at the midi out ports, my DX7 for example responds (but without success) when sending sys-ex loads and the Roland D50 doesn't respond at all. "Pass SysEx" is checked. When trying to send a sys-ex file to any of my keyboards, the load begins, then stops after a moment with the error message: "SysEx Output Devices: The port is transmitting data to the device. Wait until the data has been transmitted and try again. OK" When you click OK, the window disappears and you are back to where you started. I have tried lowering buffers and raising delay times to no avail. Can anyone take me through the usual commands used when sending Sys-Ex files to a device? TIA
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Re: Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« Reply #1 on: Feb 2nd, 2008, 5:15pm » |
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Try increasing the delay times more, although you probably shouldn't have to go above 120 milliseconds. Make sure the [x] Delay after F7 is checked.
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Re: Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« Reply #3 on: Feb 4th, 2008, 5:12pm » |
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What type (Brand, Model) of MIDI Interface are you using? Is it USB or PCI or Serial?
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Re: Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« Reply #5 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 12:25pm » |
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A useful experiment to determine the solution might be to make the System as simple as possible: try taking the Patchbay out of the equation. If it still doesn't work, try making a hardware loopback with the MIDI Sport and send SysEx from One MIDI-OX instance to another. Check that the data received matches the data sent.
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Re: Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« Reply #6 on: Feb 5th, 2008, 12:54pm » |
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"try taking the Patchbay out of the equation. "
Thanks Jamie for your continued help. I anticipated your suggestion regarding the patchbay. My studio is a turnkey operation and moving cables around is not easily done. Having said that, all other programs are working correctly including Cubase, SoundQuest Patch/Librarian and a number of midi utilities, all of which go through the patchbay. I think this is nothing more then a "handshake" problem between Midi-Ox and the Roland D50. I am exploring other settings in the meantime. BTW, just to remind myself that everything is indeed working as should, I did some quick sysex dumps to and from the keyboard using MidiQuest and all is working as should. The keyboard also repsonds to Cubase as always so I am very confident that the patchbay is not interfering with data. However, if Midi-OX has an issue with my patchbay, then the patchbay stays and Midi-Ox goes!! 
I'll continue working on the "problem".
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Re: Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« Reply #7 on: Feb 6th, 2008, 3:03pm » |
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I wasn't suggesting it as a permanent solution. I was trying to help you figure out why your SysEx sends are failing. SysEx takes a very different form from standard MIDI messages, so it probably matters not that 'everything else' is working; although it is interesting that MIDI Quest seems to work properly. Is this using the exact same hardware as MIDI-OX? If so, why not just use MIDI Quest to do SysEx sends and dumps? If not, try attaching MIDI-OX to that hardware.
If you are unwilling/unable to re-cable to troubleshoot, then there is little else I can offer.
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Re: Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« Reply #8 on: Feb 6th, 2008, 8:55pm » |
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"it is interesting that MIDI Quest seems to work properly. Is this using the exact same hardware as MIDI-OX?"
Yes, Midi-Ox is using the same hardware.
"why not just use MIDI Quest to do SysEx sends and dumps?"
I am running MidiQuest 9, which unfortunately doesn't allow to import or open generic sysex files. An upgrade to their XL version (pricey) allows for file importing as well as file conversion to .sqs format (midiquest).
That is why Midi-Ox is very attractive as a tool to load third party sysex files. I want to start taking advantage of the many free patches out there. That's how this all started...
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Re: Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« Reply #9 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 7:42pm » |
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Hello Jamie;
I have Midi-Ox now dumping sysex files into the D50. Everything is working. Let me explain. When using Patch Librarian programs like MidiQuest, or loading in soundbanks from a D50 Rom card or anything for that matter, the first thing that you do on a Roland D50 is hit a button labeled "Data Transfer". A number of options then appear in the LCD including "bulk dump", "bulk load", "internal to card", "card to internal"....you get the idea. What I was doing with MIDI-OX was no different then in the past. I would select the appropriate buttons and D50 would be put in "waiting" mode, this is when you would send the data. This never worked and is what caused me to start this thread. Today unintentionally, I sent a sysex file to the D50 without first going through the procedure previously described. To my surprise, the data transferred! Without doing anything at the keyboard beforehand. I did a number of repeated "tests" with different sysex files, never arming the D50 and simply having Midi-Ox do its thing. Worked everytime. Go figure!
Anyway, thanks for being patient and answering all my questions. Midi-Ox rules!
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 7th, 2008, 10:26pm » |
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Well, I am glad to hear that. I was scratching my head...
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Re: Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« Reply #11 on: Apr 30th, 2009, 6:50pm » |
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I have the Roland D50 and it's saying "Midi Communication Error" before it wasn't saying anything a little closer.... 
any advice would be helpful........ 
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Re: Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« Reply #12 on: May 2nd, 2009, 7:15pm » |
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UPDATE: Everything loading correctly now! mystery but won't question it.
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Re: Sys-Ex loads not working....almost there.
« Reply #13 on: Dec 1st, 2009, 6:13pm » |
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I am having the same error message. I have tried everything described in this post to load SysEx files to my Roland D-50 with no success.
Is there anything that I should know? Any settings that might work?
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