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Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« on: Oct 2nd, 2015, 2:34pm » |
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Greetings Forum
I ordered some synthesiser sounds from Ebay. I knew shouldn't because I will never figure out how to download them.
I was told to use Midi Ox to download the sounds. Below is what I was told to do.
If you have a PC download the Midiox software:
http://www.midiox.com/
I was told to go to control panel and select the Performance and Maintenance screen, and choose System.
Now choose the Hardware tab:" link or option as the midi yoke installation instructions require.
Problem - My control panel has a " performance information and tools " option, but nothing else that says performance
When I open this performance and information link I get a read out on how efficient my computer is.
I select the " system" link from contol panel and get the same screen.
All these companies presume the general public has a strong computer background. I was told this would be easy. I wasted my $.
What can I do now? I emailed the seller but I dont expect they'll hold may hand all the way through this process.
PC's suck, my next computer will be Mac
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #1 on: Oct 2nd, 2015, 3:14pm » |
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Still trying this. I have windows 7.
Here are midi ox receive instructions that hit a dead end -
Important: Ensure that Options | Pass SysEx is checked in the MIDI-OX main menu.
Receive: Choose View | SysEx... in the MIDI-OX main menu to open the SysEx view. Choose Sysex | Receive Manual Dump... in the SysEx view to open the Bytes Received message box.
I get a " No input device is selected or there are no system ex buffers. cannot receive SysEx. Hint make sure Options SysEx. is selected. IT IS AND DEAD END NOW.
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #2 on: Oct 2nd, 2015, 9:54pm » |
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Hi
Make sure you have the following windows open - Monitor - Input , Monitor - Output and the MIDI Port Routing.
To do this go to menu option View and select the Input Monitor.. and Port Routings.
Expand and position the windows so you can see them all. When you close MidiOx it will save these positions.
You also need to go to the menu option Options... / Midi Devices...
Select the Input and Output ports of your Midi Interface or if your synth is connected via USB then the synth has the Midi interface built in and it should appear there for you to select them.
These should now appear in the Midi Port Routing window possibly with a lot of lines joining everything.
Remove these lines by right clicking in the Midi Port Routings window and select Disconnect All
If your synth is not connected by USB, connect your synth's Midi In to the Midi Out of your interface.
On the Midi Port Routing window left click drag from the picture of the MidiOx Event Port on the bottom left to the interface (or synth) port on the right.
A line should join the two.
Go to the Options... / Pass Sysex and deselect then select again as doesn't seem to work if you start the program with it selected.
Open the Sysex... window from the View menu and you should be good to go.
On the new Sysex window select IT'S menu File/Send Sysex File.. and select your file and MidiOx should load the file and send it to your synth.
If you are still having problems, post here again letting me know the synth model and the Midi interface type.
All the best
Royce
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #3 on: Oct 3rd, 2015, 12:57pm » |
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This stuff is always " it's a joke buddy - you lose".
I opened up VIEW, then selected INPUT MONITOR,
and there is no PORT ROUTING options.
What comes up is " TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT "
The MONITOR INPUT and MONITOR OUTPUT black screen have no options to select. so once again, a dead end.
When I select OPTIONS and then MIDI DEVICES, the options in MIDI INPUT box are " 1) USB Uno Midi Interface
MIDI OUTPUT BOX HAS 3 CHOICES-
2) USB Uno Midi Interface
1) Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth
3) Midi Mapper
So what to select there? Always a guessing game. If I click in the open area of the white Midi Input box, " 1) USB Uno Midi Interface" becomes blue and in the "PORT MAP OBJECTS" box, a green midi plug end shows up with UBS Uno Midi Interface
When I click in the open white area in the "Midi Outputs" box,
2) Midi Uno Midi Interface turns blue and in the " PORT MAPPING" box, a midi plug end appears and it says USB Uno Midi Interface.
I clicked "OK".
Next prompt is the below and there are no "lines" and again, a dead end.
Select the Input and Output ports of your Midi Interface or if your synth is connected via USB then the synth has the Midi interface built in and it should appear there for you to select them.
These should now appear in the Midi Port Routing window possibly with a lot of lines joining everything.
Remove these lines by right clicking in the Midi Port Routings window and select Disconnect All
My synth is a Kawai K1r. I have an M Audio midi cable with a USB end and a midi In / Out end.
Synth is set up correctly.
This is stuff the average person can do? Buy some sounds and use Midi OX, download and relax?
This stuff is always this way, it is never user friendly unless the user is educated on what to guess at.
Unless there is some other ideas, I'll just cut my losses and sell this stuff. I appreciate your advice, just saying that PC's are junk as there is too much of this Dead end stuff and guess work required with too many programs.
I knew not to buy these sounds but was told they are easy to load. yah, right.
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #4 on: Oct 3rd, 2015, 9:28pm » |
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It is frustrating when you first start, but stay with it. Looks like you are nearly there.
On the View menu option the 4th from the bottom has to be Port Routings... .
Both the Input Monitor and the Port Routings are under the View menu option on the main window.
The black screens with the Titles is what you should be seeing for the Input and Output Monitors.
When you connect the Midi interface to the program any Midi that comes in will be displayed in the Input monitor.
You obviously have a M-Audio MidiSport Uno interface and so you should select USB Uno Midi Interface for BOTH the input and output.
I should have said when you select Options / Midi Devices... you should ignore all the things on the right of the dialog and de select the Automatically attach Input to Outputs
You should end up with the Midi Port Routing window having 3 circles representing Midi DIN sockets.
There should be two on the left and one on the right.
It sounds like you have physically connected your Uno interface to the synth with Midi cables (In to Out and Out to In).
Play the synth and you should see Midi being displayed in the Input Monitor.
As there isn't a connection on the Midi Port Routing window nothing will be displayed in the Output Monitor.
Unfortunately the Uno has the same name for its Input and its Output so you have to remember that incoming data ports are on the left and the port on the right is the one that takes Midi data out of your computer.
The Midi-Ox Event Port is an input port.
It is where data from a file comes in and if the there is a connection (the cable like line) joining it to the Uno Output port then the data from the file will be sent out the Uno output to your Midi cable and into the synth.
Once you have made the connection from the Midi-Ox Event port to your Uno output port and selected the Pass Sysex in the Options menu you should be ready to go.
Open View / Sysex... and select File / Send Sysex File... in the Sysex window and you should see the data in your patch file being displayed in the Output Monitor window.
This will mean that the data will be going to the K1 as well.
I had a look at the K1 manual and you need to do a couple of things to make sure the K1 will accept the data BEFORE you send the file.
You will need the manual and you can get a copy from http://www.vintagesynth.com/manuals/K1Synth.pdf
1/ Make sure the memory protection is off.
Page 40 (half way down the page) SYSTEM INT PROTECT = OFF
Set SYSTEM INT PROTECT = OFF
2/ The K1 needs to accept System Exclusive (sysex)
Page 44 (just up from Error Messages) SYSTEM RCV-11 EXCL
MIDI RCV EXCL = ON
Hopes this helps you to retain your sanity in a place where things that should be simple rarely are.
Royce
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #5 on: Oct 3rd, 2015, 11:02pm » |
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I appreciate your help. The drama continues. . .
The next snag is " you should ignore all the things on the right of the dialog and de select the Automatically attach Input to Outputs
You should end up with the Midi Port Routing window having 3 circles representing Midi DIN sockets.
There should be two on the left and one on the right. "
Wrong-o. There is still just the one midi cable end called Midi Ox event port which is located under the Input Ports caption.
Since I am stuck here, no use going any further with this unless there is new information and revelations. I hate this stuff. I knew better. . .
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #6 on: Oct 4th, 2015, 6:20am » |
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So in the Midi Devices window the USB Uno Midi Interface in Midi Inputs and also in Midi Outputs is Blue background white text (means it is selected)
When you click OK it doesn't show up in the Port Routings window?
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #7 on: Oct 5th, 2015, 11:23pm » |
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I appreciate the help but this isn't worth all the dead end results. Click this and select that, nope, not there. Try this and select blah blah blah, nope not there. This is like being married: tons of effort for little in return. Game over with Midi Ox.
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #9 on: Oct 8th, 2015, 12:22am » |
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Ah, the Midi Ox people are good hearted and still try to help this lost soul. Thank you, I will try what you suggest.
Event though I clicked this and looked for that which wasnt there, my problems are part me. I bet any 12 year old could figure this out from the Midi Ox site. I shall venture forth and get my files thanks to you folks.
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #10 on: Dec 6th, 2015, 5:36pm » |
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Problem solved, problem returns. Punishment for failure- 10 lashes with the midi cable. . .
I have to do these things mechanically with every step written down from a #1 - do this, #2- do this vs relying on a foundational understanding where logic can guide me.
I hired a geek to help me. He got things working and would not write all the steps down. I paid him VERY GOOD. I live in remote north Minnesota and the travel fee alone was half of what a decent used ebay module costs.
A few days later I try to download more sounds or files a day later and I cant. Here is where I am stopped - No input device detected. that night after the geek left, I did download files successfully but he set it all up correctly and that set up is some of what he did not write down for me.
I am trying to download the factory sounds of a Kawai K1. Kawai sent me a windows media player song of some kind, not a file like the 3rd party sounds that worked with the geek here.
I also want to use midi ox to download files for my Kurzweil K2000r and 2 Korg synths as well so that is why I am so invested in learning this. I could toss the Kawai k1 files and sleep well but the Korgs and Kurzweil are somewhat special to me.
So I went to the instructions to start at step #1: " go to menu option View and select the Input Monitor.. and Port Routings"
There is nothing called " Port Routings"
On the bottom of the black part of midi ox it says 1 output device - No input device
REC and SYX are dark blue
I look ahead and try these instructions: " You also need to go to the menu option Options... / Midi Devices... Select the Input and Output ports of your Midi Interface or if your synth is connected via USB then the synth has the Midi interface built in and it should appear there for you to select them. " These should now appear in the Midi Port Routing window possibly with a lot of lines joining everything. Remove these lines by right clicking in the Midi Port Routings window and select Disconnect All"
By now most midi ox cats here already know what I have set up wrong but here's more info. . .
There is nothing in the midi Input box to select. The midi Port Routing blue/grey box shows Input Ports = midi ox event port going to Output Ports = microsoft gs wavetable synth
I recall the blue/grey box having a bent line from something on the bottom left going to the upper right hand corner, not a straight line as it is now.
So in the Midi Devices window the USB Uno Midi Interface in Midi Inputs and also in Midi Outputs is Blue background white text (means it is selected) " - No such USB Uno Midi Interface item to select?
Once again I am a pityful unarmed force of zero against the midi transfer enemies that contain my progress.
I seek advice please
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #11 on: Dec 6th, 2015, 5:56pm » |
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Should mention, I tried to do some Korg Wavestation SR files and same message- no input device.
A few days back when I could not get things to work I uninstalled midi ox and reinstalled it. No luck.
I mention this to point out that it isnt that the Kawai K1 is set up wrong, it is something I have wrong in midi ox
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #12 on: Dec 6th, 2015, 11:48pm » |
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on Dec 6th, 2015, 5:36pm, biodad wrote:
So I went to the instructions to start at step #1: " go to menu option View and select the Input Monitor.. and Port Routings"
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After selecting the "View' menu option there should be a "Port Routings..." just below "Port Status..." and above the second straight line in the menu.
I think it is already showing as you talk about "The midi Port Routing blue/grey box shows Input Ports"
Quote:On the bottom of the black part of midi ox it says 1 output device - No input device
REC and SYX are dark blue
I look ahead and try these instructions: " You also need to go to the menu option Options... / Midi Devices... Select the Input and Output ports of your Midi Interface or if your synth is connected via USB then the synth has the Midi interface built in and it should appear there for you to select them. " These should now appear in the Midi Port Routing window possibly with a lot of lines joining everything. Remove these lines by right clicking in the Midi Port Routings window and select Disconnect All"
There is nothing in the midi Input box to select.
The midi Port Routing blue/grey box shows Input Ports = midi ox event port going to Output Ports = microsoft gs wavetable synth |
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If you can't see the Uno it is likely that it is either not plugged into the USB port on the PC or it is plugged into a different USB port to the one that the drivers where setup on.
You need to plug your Uno Midi Interface into the same USB socket on your PC every time.
This is a Microsoft issue.
Note that you MUST have the Uno connected before you start MidiOx.
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No, it has always been straight.
Let me know if the interface appears.
All the best
Royce
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #13 on: Dec 7th, 2015, 5:49pm » |
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2 questions
# 1 - Below are the files off https://archive.org/details/KawaiK1PresetBanks1internalBans
web site. Which file works?
HTML download
download 1 file
JPEG download
download 93 files
OGG VORBIS
download 1 file
TORRENT download
download 1 file
VBR M3U download
download 93 files
VBR MP3
download 1 file
WORD DOCUMENT download
download 1 file
ZIP download
download 288 Files
download 101 Original
SHOW ALL
#2 - I went to midi ox web site to read the instructions as to how to set the thing up and am wondering which version i should choose? I have windows 7.
Like I said, the geek set this up and didnt tell me what I wanted to know, like how to set it up.
I did try to download files and it still isnt working so my setup must be funky.
Sorry about this and thanks for helping. I still need help
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #14 on: Dec 8th, 2015, 1:15am » |
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I think these are just audio recordings, in different audio formats, of the internal K1 patches you already have.
You need a file that is usually named some_file_name.syx for a patch/s in System Exclusive (sysex) format that you can download to the K1
OR a file that is usually named some_file_name.mid that has the sysex embedded in it that you can use Midibar, the Midi file player, in MidiOx to send to the K1.
I couldn't find either here.
All the best
Royce
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Re: Cant get Midi Ox To Work
« Reply #16 on: Dec 8th, 2015, 6:38pm » |
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Thanks for this but I still need to know how to set everything up. The geek did it and didnt write it down. Last time I call him.
There many things on the site to choose and I want it right after all this struggle from step 1 to download.
I KNOW that downloading files is easy WHEN it is all set up right and i do the correct steps.
I'm not even sure if I have downloaded the correct version of Midi Ox.
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