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the_swede
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sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« on: Aug 12th, 2021, 12:42pm » |
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I send a 35kB sysex-file back to my emptied Korg M1 with the memory protect set to OFF - the file progress indicator is going all the way - still no change on the synth. Both input and output buffers are set to size:256 and num:32 and both the delays are set to 60 ms. The Pass SysEx is checked. What could be wrong? Maybe a lot of things. Any suggestions?
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Re: sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« Reply #1 on: Aug 12th, 2021, 8:57pm » |
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Hi,
if it look like everything is sending OK you might look at...
1) the id in the system exclusive messages that is called MIDI Global Channel and is the 3rd byte in the message
M1 SysEx Messages
Use the View / Sysex.. page in MidiOx to display the sysex data...........
F0 Exclusive Status
42 Korg ID
3* MIDI Global Channel *0-F = Channel1-16
19 M1 ID
ff Function Code
dd Data...
F7 End Of Exclusive (EOX)
This id needs to match your M1 so write it down.
Press the M1's Global button
Go to Page F5-1 Global Midi
Button 'B' to select the Midi channel and set it to match the data
sysex = channel
30 = 1
31 = 2
32 = 3
33 = 4
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38 = 9
39 = 10
3A = 11
3F = 16
2) While you are there go to Page F5-2 Midi Filtering and make sure the 'Exclusive ' is set to ENA
3) One more thing, go to F6-1 Program Memory Protect and make sure the Internal is OFF (if you are sending it to a Card then the Card should also be OFF)
Hope that fixes it.
Let me know how you get on.
Royce
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Re: sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« Reply #2 on: Aug 13th, 2021, 3:49am » |
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Now I have all the sounds - the midi filtering exclusive was set to DIS.
Thanks a lot for all your information.
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Re: sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« Reply #3 on: Dec 11th, 2021, 3:15pm » |
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I've got the same problem with my Yamaha DX11.
It seems to work at the MIDI-OX end with Sysex seemingly sent OK but keyboard doesn't seem to receive anything.
I've got MIDI out to IN and vice versa with the cables. (I did try it in reverse.)
Memory Protect is off
Exclusive is on
MIDI receive to Channel 1 (tried Omni)
I wonder if it is the buffer settigns and have tried reducing the settings, as I think a DX11 will be an 8-bit machine?
I read cheap cables dont' send SYSEX (?) It seems to send OK - but how do I tell if the cables are no good?
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Re: sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« Reply #4 on: Dec 12th, 2021, 5:26pm » |
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Hi Steve
about the 'cheap' cables, on your Midi interface take a cable and connect an input port to an output port (something you don't normally do) .
Start Midi Ox
Make sure that nothing is routed on the Routing window.
Route the MidiOx Event port to the out port that your cable is connected to.
View / Sysex
in the new Sysex window that pops up load and send some sysex file.
The data should go out the port the cable is connected to and return to Midiox an be displayed in the Input Monitor so you can check the data.
Try the other cable.
Let me know how you get on
Royce
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Re: sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« Reply #5 on: Dec 12th, 2021, 5:46pm » |
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You mean to connect the cables to each other?
I'd have to wire up something to do that. I don't have anything suitable at present.
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Re: sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« Reply #6 on: Dec 12th, 2021, 11:06pm » |
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No.
Take one end of the cable and connect it to the Midi In (if you have more than one Midi Ins on your interface then Midi In 1) .
The other end of that same cable goes into the Midi Out (again if your interface has more than one then Midi Out 1).
You have to be a little careful of Midi feedback so make sure only MidiOx is running when the one cable is plugged into both Midi In and Midi Out.
All the best
Royce
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Re: sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« Reply #7 on: Dec 17th, 2021, 10:00am » |
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I'm not sure I can do this. The cable has integrated interface. I've just got USB with MIDI IN and OUT. That goes to the keyboard. I don't have any sockets I can connect together.
I have somethign like this. https://tinyurl.com/2z9bh8pa
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Re: sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« Reply #8 on: Dec 17th, 2021, 8:09pm » |
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Hi Steve,
sadly these Midi interfaces are notoriously bad.
I have had a few given to me and each one was trouble and usually with a different problem.
You may have the one that won't send sysex.
I always try to find a solution that doesn't involve spending money, but for your sanity, save up and get one from Behringer or Roland or Yamaha or Korg or M-Audio (MidiSport) or MOTU.
There are new players like Miditrack or OTraki etc but I haven't used any of them so I don't know.
Perhaps you were thinking in the future you would get some new gear, like a controller or a more modern synth that has USB and Midi sockets or an Audio interface with Midi ports. Perhaps now you could make the purchase a bit sooner.
So much gear made in the last 20 years has USB and Midi built in that could be perfect for you, but be aware there are some bits of gear with just USB Midi that won't help you at all.
Sorry
Royce
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Re: sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« Reply #9 on: Dec 24th, 2021, 5:16pm » |
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Yeah, thanks. I had spotted a Roland UM-ONE on ebay so bid for it. It arrived today and I spent some time trying to get it to work - with no joy. MIDI-OX was showing no activity on the port so I was about ready to send it back. I thought I'd try pluggin in the cables the wronf way round and it came up with the MIDI Recevied massage on the keyboard. !!!
It's curious as MIDI_OX seemed to be showing activity on the port for Sysex with the other cables. But anyway, I've got the keybaord back to factory settings and have a big smile.
(I wasn't really looking to use MIDI at all. I just wanted to restore the keyboard voices that get lost when the battery is changed. I should have saved them but didn't expect the factory set voices to disappear. It's a DX11 so doesn't really conform to MIDI standards. I have a Yamaha MM6 but the sound has gone. Seems to be a common problem but the rest didn't have any effect. I might be able to use it as a 2nd keyboard for the clonewheel organ though. )
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Re: sending sysex doesn't reach my synth
« Reply #10 on: Dec 24th, 2021, 9:14pm » |
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Hi Steve
a Midi interface with cables built in can be confusing.
Did you download the drivers from Roland? They are much better than the ones that come from Microsoft.
Get the manual too. In the manual it says the MIDI IN (Connects to MIDI OUT connect on the MIDI device)
And similarly for the reverse for the MIDI OUT cable.
The Midi Out to the Midi In is standard (as is the Audio Out from the keyboard goes to the Audio In on the Amp)
BUT, as you might have guessed there are some makers that have the cable ends that match - In to In and Out to Out.
Glad to hear you got it working.
All the best
Royce
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