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(Message started by: motorman on Aug 28^th, 2005, 5:16am)

Title: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by motorman on Aug 28^th, 2005, 5:16am

Hi there. I'm really wanting to try this software out - it looks like just what I needed. ;) But I installed it on my computer, restarted and... the windows XP splash screen came up fine and then the screen goes blank with nothing on it but my mouse pointer. ??? No keys will respond. I can move the mouse pointer around but that's it. Nothing else responds.

After panicing for several hours... :o trying safe mode - which did exactly the same thing, I figured out how to start System Restore via the command prompt to get my computer working again. SO Thankfully I found that.

I tried installing it again... same problem. So its definantly the software. Any ideas what could be causing this?

i can list my computer specs if you want.

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by Jamie OConnell on Aug 30^th, 2005, 2:12am

Please do. I haven't heard of that one before. :( You are the administrator on the machine - right? No error messages during install? How many other MIDI devices on the machine?

I just uploaded a manual installer for MIDI Yoke. Maybe you'll have better luck with that. http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by motorman on Aug 30^th, 2005, 3:34am

hi there, yes I am the Administrator. No problems were encountered during the installation - everything went smoothly. Computer specs are as follows:

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 2800+ (64-bit - this is my best guess why its not working... but the computer is still running in 32bit mode... so not sure...)
Chipset: n-force3
RAM: 433mhz 1024MB
HDD: 7200rpm SATA (not raid) 200GB
Soundcard: In built + Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platnum ZX (the one with the front break out box)
of course other stuff like dvd writer, card reader etc...

Operating system is: Windows XP Pro SP2

As far as midi devices go - Theres the standard sound card midi plus the two IO plugs on the audigy (front and back) and then one from the inbuilt sound card. Nothing unusual.

Haven't had a chance to try the manual installer yet (not in the mood for recking my computer right now :P already done that four times in a row), but I tried the older version which had a manual install - once again the installation was smooth with no problems, but the same error was encountered. But I will try the new version.

If you have any further questions (I'm sure i've forgotten something major under specs..), I'll be glad to answer....

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by Jamie OConnell on Sep 1^st, 2005, 10:19am

The old manual install (Add New Hardware) is the same as the new manual install. If your machine won't boot after installing MIDI Yoke, you likely have some other driver conflict, although I'm not sure why: MIDI Yoke does nothing while the machine is booted, and requires no hardware resources.

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by emielu on Sep 9^th, 2005, 6:24am

Hi,

I'm experiencing the same problem. I also have a AMD Athlon, a bit older though (1Ghz, 32 bit), onboard sound + SB Live Platinum, WINXP home edition, SP2. (I'm not on my own computer right now, so i don't have the complete specs available).
I also see the win spash screen and then the blank screen with just cursor when booting. I also tried the auto and manual install.
So if someone finds a solution, let me know!

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by emielu on Sep 9^th, 2005, 9:35am

Jamie, I hope this info helps:

It seems to be a windows problem; I removed Midi Yoke and installed Marblesound's Maple virtual MIDI driver (4 ports), and this caused exactly the same problem.
Installing the LoopBe1 driver, with just 1 port, causes no problems. However, I need at least two ports :-(
So it seems that windows can't handle that many extra ports.
BTW, even safe mode doesn't work in my case. Luckily windows will eventually start if i keep selecting "last good known config" from the boot menu. This can take quite a nr of reboots though, so it's pretty annoying.

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by Jamie OConnell on Sep 9^th, 2005, 9:57am

Windows supports up to 10 drivers. You can have more than 10 ports because drivers like MIDI Yoke can house multiple ports. See this link for more info and how to check for this problem and fix it:
http://www.rme-audio.de/english/faq/10entrye.htm

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by motorman on Sep 10^th, 2005, 4:19am

Hi there,

I didn't try what the article said, but looking in my registry, there are only 3 midi entries (midi, midi1, midi2) so the list is not full. I don't think this is the cause of my problem... :-/

emielu: safe mode also wouldn't work for me, and neither would "boot with last known settings that worked" (not that I tried it more than twice). Command Prompt Safe mode did work however...

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by emielu on Sep 10^th, 2005, 6:21am

Hi again,

I found that the problem still existed after I removed all virtual midi drivers from my system; my computer still would not boot. So I did a system restore which fixed the problem, then I installed the marblesound driver again, and now it is working correctly. I haven't used it yet, but it is installed and my pc boots again!
So motorman you might try it as well: http://www.linuxsampler.org/ethernetmidi/MapleVMCv352.zip

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by petermidi on Jan 20^th, 2006, 4:35pm

Hi there,
I just thought I'd add a bit to this.
I have installed midi-yoke on three occasions and each one has ultimately ended (unfortunately) with the same problem as has been described here - boot to black!
On two of the three occasions, the boot to black has occurred immediately after the automatic install of Windows updates (two different updates).
I have known this (instinctively) and by checking in system restore on recovering the system.
Once the updates are in, midi-yoke reinstalls quite happily.
(I'm not sure what triggered the other boot-to-black as I was never able to get the pc up and running again.)
Does this suggest a potential cause/fix for the problem?
It would be great to know I can use midi yoke on my system without running the risk of the dreaded boot to black!
Thanks so much for a great product anyway - it is really appreciated!
P

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jan 20^th, 2006, 5:35pm

I'm not sure I understand this?

Quote:

On two of the three occasions, the boot to black has occurred immediately after the automatic install of Windows updates (two different updates).

Are you saying after Windows Update you restarted the computer and got a Black Screen? Why would this have anything to do with MIDI Yoke?

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by petermidi on Jan 20^th, 2006, 8:55pm

Hi Jamie - I know it sounds bizarre - but that is what I'm saying.
The first time my computer did the boot to black crash was about a week after I first installed midi-yoke. And I never made any connection between Yoke and the crash. After this crash I did a complete reinstall of Windows and my music apps.

The second time my computer did the same thing - it was a good three weeks after yoke had been installed - and I know that Yoke was the last thing that installed because I was very careful to install my cubase, then libraries, then utilities like midiman drivers and finally midi yoke - and then I had a windows update ... and I got the boot to black....and I blamed the Windows update.

But this third time I have worked without Midi Yoke for a couple of months (and in the meantime all Win updates including the one that killed it (I thought) last time have been fine. Then, in desperation to get a particular library to run in stand-alone mode rather than as a vst, I installed yoke again.
I had one day of stable use...during which I had a win update come through...which I set to install on shut down.

And hey presto - boot to black.

So I am saying that I believe there to be a link between the two. It's in no way meant as a criticism of Yoke - I think what you've done is fantastic. But I'm just wondering if perhaps, knowing as much about computers as you do, you can think of something that windows might do when it updates, that could upset the yoke driver...

...and if you can...then perhaps we could warn people to look out for this...or maybe even find a way to stop it happening?

Thanks a lot Jamie!

Al the best.
Peter

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by michael on Feb 5^th, 2006, 3:55am

same thing here

i install midiyoke and i get a black boot

now i cant get my laptop to start again!!!!!

how the hell do i get my laptop started?????

when given the option to restore known working boot i still get the black boot

im not happy!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by SeanF on Feb 10^th, 2006, 7:28pm

Hi,

I have the same problem. I installed Midi Yoke -
and it works perfect, but when I reboot, it simply boots to black. So I have to reboot in safe mode and uninstall it, after which it boots up fine.

My machine is a Dell Inspiron 6000.

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by IvanG on Apr 5^th, 2006, 6:37pm

Hi,

i have experienced the same thing. It was bugging me for months. Computer boots eventually, but I have to reset it a few times first.
Also, if you wait long enough (1 hour or so) it will change screen to "loading user preferences", but still it won't boot.

I had to reinstall computer to get rid of this bug, didn't know what was the problem. I reinstalled MidiYoke recently, and then I found out...
Disabling the midiyoke service doesn't work either.

My computer is Compaq laptop Evo n1020v with Soundmax integrated audio card.

Since I don't have the restore point, i would be very very grateful if someone could provide the solution.

Thanks,

Ivan

PS. Great program though, beside the bug...

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by djass on May 23^rd, 2006, 12:28pm

and same problem here :'(
Installation went fine but after reboot the problem started. I needed to boot safe mode with command prompt and had to rename myokent.dll to get computer boot normally.
I really need this driver to get BCD-2000 and Traktor working together so I'm going to test Marblesound's Maple virtual MIDI driver now...
Let's see what happens...

djass
Dell Latitude D600
RAM: 1024MB
OS: Windows XP Pro SP2

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by cptlockheed on Jun 9^th, 2006, 1:55am

Same problem here. Searching the bootlogs etc. I got the feeling the problem might have something to do with wdmaud.drv and XP's SP2... My system is Intel P4 Windows XP Pro SP 2 with three (!) soundcards: Soundblaster live (PCI, to get sysex to Roland MT32), ESI Neon (USB, controller, mangles sysex >:(), Realtek AC97 (integrated, to connect to HiFi via optical cable). There are only 3 midi devices in registry, so it's not a case of "10 devices". Midi Yoke has been in and out from my system over ten times, so it definitely is a confirmed problem (fortunately uninstall in Safe Mode works in my case). Too bad, since Midi Yoke is one great piece of software!

PS. forgot to mention that in Control Panel Midi Yoke does not appear under "Legacy Audio Drivers" as stated in documentation but directly under "Sound, video and game controllers". Don't know if this has any meaning. Could there be a way to do a manual installation for the problematic machines, ie. without the .inf file... directly fixing the registry and dropping the dll in place?

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jun 13^th, 2006, 2:36pm

Quote:

Could there be a way to do a manual installation for the problematic machines, ie. without the .inf file... directly fixing the registry and dropping the dll in place?

That is precisely what the auto installer (MidiYokeSetup.msi) does:

Supports Windows NT4, 2000, XP:
MIDI Yoke NT 1.72 (143K 08-09-05) Download Now
[to Install, double-click the downloaded MidiYokeSetup.msi file. Ignore the other installation instructions on this web-site]

MIDI Yoke NT 1.72 (44K 08-30-05) Download Now Manual Install
To Install, double-click the downloaded Myokent.exe file. It will extract several files to a folder named \MYINST and then launch a document explaining how to install using Add New Hardware

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by cptlockheed on Jun 19^th, 2006, 2:44am

After some testing I found out that the computer boots if it does not try to load midiyoke, by breaking the associated registry key in HKLM\Software\Microsoft\windows nt\current version\drivers32, but MidiYoke works immediately when its key is correctly entered in the registry! I cannot really understand what causes the hanging in the boot process (maybe a changed security feature in SP2, has happened with other software). Anyway, as long as you don't boot with myokent.dll in registry, everything seems to work fine (so in effect you just need to install and de-install MidiYoke for each session - no big deal, I'm happy now!).
--
/sami

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by Simon56 on Jul 5^th, 2006, 12:02pm

Yes I got the same boot to black as well after installing Midi Yoke from the self installing 'exe file onto Windows XP with Service Pack 2. Windows Safe with command prompt was the only mode I could get into system restore from.

Has a fix for this emerged yet? - apart from the one involving insertion deletion of registry keys? Does it have anything to do with the display driver?

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by cptlockheed on Jul 6^th, 2006, 2:20am

No other fixes AFAIK. I created two small bat-files to add/remove midiyoke from registry and run them automatically as startup and shutdown scripts (gpedit.msc, user config, windows, scripts). No problems whatsoever in 3 weeks time, midiyoke is always there when I need it.

Just for the record, my graphics adapter is an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (AGP). A device/driver conflict is always a possibility with XP :(

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by nilblank on Oct 31^st, 2006, 2:40pm

on 07/06/06 at 02:20:25, cptlockheed wrote:

>cptlockheed>>
Do you think you could make your startup/shutdown script available to me. Never got the hang of scripting those mini-aps myself and would love to have the same functionality as you.

Thanks.

Incidently, my Acer Ferrari Lappy has the exact same graphics card as you indicated. So, maybe there's something there.

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by cptlockheed on Nov 1^st, 2006, 2:26am

nilblank,

create a .bat file MIDIYOKE ON.BAT with one line:
regedit /c "MIDIYOKE ON.REG"

Then create the MIDIYOKE ON.REG file with the following content:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32]
"MIDI3"="myokent.dll"

The part in brackets should be on one line. Be sure to check out from your registry the correct MIDI-number: my system here at work has two other midi devices, MidiYoke being the third.
Then create another pair of files to disable midiyoke:
MIDIYOKE OFF.BAT contains the line
regedit /c "MIDIYOKE OFF.REG"

MIDIYOKE OFF.REG should be as follows:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32]
"MIDI3"="myokent.dlz"

The only change to the ON version is the name of drive file. It should be changed to something not existing on your system, I use myokent.dlz. The point is that when the midiyoke is switched off, the system won't load the midiyoke.dll at boot time and does not freeze.

Check out with regedit that running the on- and off-bat files switch the name of the driver in registry correctly: myokent.dll when running ON, myokent.dlz when running OFF. Remember to copy the actual driver file myokent.dll file from MidiYoke installer to C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 directory if it isn't there already.

You can run the on/off bat files manually, but if you want to automate them, run program gpedit.msc (it is part of Windows XP) and select User Configuration, Windows Settings, Scripts. Make MIDIYOKE ON.BAT your logon script, and MIDIYOKE OFF.BAT your logoff script.

I hope this works for you. Be careful when playing with registry though! After getting the system to work correctly, you may want to add parameter /S to regedit in the bat files to suppress confirmation when writing to registry (the line should then read regedit /s /c "midiyoke on.reg")
--
/sami

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by nilblank on Nov 2^nd, 2006, 5:07am

cptlhd,

Thanks immensely.

I followed your instructions and now have a glitch free setup. Immedeately set off for my weekly and tore the roof off. You've made me happy and thereby another 400 floorshaking souls.

Thanks again,

Dylan

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by blur on Nov 20^th, 2006, 8:04am

Hello to all.

Same problem here. Didn't understand it the first time so I've re-installed XP Pro and problem again occurs. After driver installation the same black screen at boot as reported before.

I have an Athlon XP+ 1,7GHz, 1Gb DDR RAM and an ATI Radeon 9600. Installed Yoke driver 1.72 (the one with the self installer) on Windows XP Pro with all the Windows Updates to the moment.

Didn't tried yet the fix around explained above (the one involving the registry keys). I'll try it later, while there's no official fix.

I need Yoke driver to use it with Reason and a virtual keyboard. Does anyone know of an alternative for this driver?

By the way, does anyone know if this same problem occurs on Windows Vista?

Cheers

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by Jamie OConnell on Dec 1^st, 2006, 8:38pm

You could try the Marblesound driver:
http://www.hurchalla.com/Maple_driver.html

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by Jamie OConnell on Dec 1^st, 2006, 10:55pm

cptlockheed,

I would like to get to the bottom of this.

1) Can you tell me what other MIDI(n) drivers are listed in:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32 ?

2) What MIDI(n) entries are listed in:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Userinstallable.drivers ?
(They should be the same as 2) above)

3) Search your registry from there: look for any other instance of MIDI3. Is there one under currentcontrolset (Alias)? If so, try renaming the Alias -- something other than MIDI3.

4) Do you have GigaSampler, GigaStudio or any other Giga products installed?

5) Did you use the Auto-installer (MIDIYokeSetup.msi) or "Add New Hardware" installer (OEM.INF)?

6) Could you search your system for other instances of myokent.dll (Outside of System32. If found, remove them)?

7) What happens if you turn on BootLogging during boot with MIDI Yoke installed?

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by cptlockheed on Dec 5^th, 2006, 4:17am

Hi Jamie,

1) My midi drivers in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32 are:

midi=wdmaud.drv
midi1=mapledxp.dll
midi2=wdmaud.drv
midi3=myokent.dll

When debugging the problem, I had only wdmaud.drv and myokent.dll.

2) the keys in
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Userinstallable.drivers are not exactly the same. There are only

midi1=wdmaud.drv
midi3=myokent.dll

(I have removed Maple drivers and my Soundblaster card from my machine, using only external NeOn sound card/keyboard controller)

3) Yes, there is Alias in CurrentControlSet.
Alias=Midi3, Description=Midi Yoke NT Driver, Driver=myokent.dll

4) No Giga products on my machine

5) I have tried both autoinstaller and oem.inf installation. Boot lockups occurred in both

6) No other instances of myokent.dll on my machine (full search including hidden files etc)

7) I'll have to check this out later. Currently my system is stable and in quite critical use. I'll make a restore point and check booting with midiyoke (will check renaming the Alias too), but later. I have always succeeded booting to safe mode, but can't take the risk right now, sorry.

Being in computer business (although not programming for Windows), this problem baffles me as I'm sure it does you too :(

Cheers,
/sami

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by Jamie OConnell on Dec 5^th, 2006, 10:36pm

That's all useful info, thanks.

You might want to change the UserInstallable drivers to match the other key, but I don't think it will make a huge difference. Re: 3) I meant an alias other than MIDI Yoke. Make sure there is no other driver aliased to MIDI3.

What new I have found from inspection is that it seems that USB driver installs (and software synth devices) typically do NOT set the MIDI(n) in the Drivers32 key and I was able to get Windows to hose another device under CurrentControlSet, using an alias by using Add New Hardware. Apparently that installer (like MIDI Yoke) just examines the Drivers32 key when installing a driver.

It occurs to me that maybe if you set the MIDI(n) that MIDI Yoke is referenced by to a number that is not used by any other alias, it might work. To find this, you have to search Current Control Set for every MIDI(n) alias (0 thru 9). It doesn't actually use MIDI0 by names it MIDI instead so MIDI thru MIDI9.

Title: Re: Installed Midiyoke and computer won't boot
Post by kmel on Jul 13^th, 2007, 3:20am

Hi,

after installing 1.74 by hand on WinXP+SP2, my Thinkpad boots to black. I renamed 'myokent.dll' to 'myokent.dll_' using a boot cd.

Is there a new fix without changing the registry or renaming the dll?

Perhaps a debug version of 'myokent.dll', which creates a log file.
I will spend time to investigate this misbehavior as MidiYoke is a fine program as Midi-Ox is.

Thanks,
Klaus