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(Message started by: blafarm on Jul 1^st, 2002, 12:00am)

Title: newbie question
Post by blafarm on Jul 1^st, 2002, 12:00am

Hi,

First post on the forum. Here's my question:

I have a Alternate Mode TrapKat Drum controller that has fixed midi note numbers (cannot be changed) for outputting it's various hihat articulations (eg: open, 1/2 closed, closed).

I need to use this controller with a drum sample library (Purrrfect Drums by Studio Cat Productions) and of course the fixed midi numbers of the TrapKat don't correspond to the location of the hihat articulations chosen by the sample library developer.

I'm wondering if Midi-Ox can remap the TrapKats fixed hihat note numbers to the note numbers where the hihat articulations are located in the sample library in realtime. If so, can anyone give me some pointers on how to accomplish this feat and some idea of what kind of latency would be incurred with this process (drums are quite unforgiving of latency). Finally, are there any hardware solutions for this problem that anyone knows about that I should also be considering.

Thanks in advance for any feedback you can offer.

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jul 1^st, 2002, 12:27am

Sure, you can remap specific note numbers just as you would do for ranges of notes. The only difference is that the range MIN and MAX would correspond to the same note. Straightforward mapping such as this is for all practical purposes instantaneous, and its unlikely you would be able to measure, much less notice any latency due to the mapping.

Here's an example mapping: Bass Drum on note 35 mapped to note 47 on channel 1:

MOXMAP Version 4

[Map]
1,NoteOn,35,35,*,*,N,*,*,47,47,*,*
1,NoteOff,35,35,*,*,N,*,*,47,47,*,*

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by blafarm on Jul 1^st, 2002, 12:06pm

Thanks Jamie,

I reviewed the application and can see how the remapping function works. My only question now is how does one go about inserting Midi-Ox into the midi signal chain if you are running, say, Logic Audio Platinum and Tascam's Gigastudio within the same pc platform. In other words, how do I make these two applications recognize Midi-Ox as their midi stream source rather than the midi port on my Echo Audio Layla 24 that they are currently monitoring.

Thanks again in advance for your feedback.

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jul 2^nd, 2002, 6:05pm

You'll need to install MIDI Yoke (available here) or another Virtual MIDI driver. You use MIDI Yoke to attach various applications together (MIDI-OX and Logic or MIDI-OX and GigaStudio), the same way that you would attach to a hardware MIDI driver (Echo Layla).

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by blafarm on Jul 2^nd, 2002, 10:18pm

Thanks again Jamie.

I'll give it a shot although it looks like I don't have to worry about interfacing to Logic now that Apple is pulling the plug on the Windows version.

Time to look for a new sequencer.

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jul 3^rd, 2002, 4:08am

That's too bad about Logic - Apple :(

I recommend you give SONAR a serious look... ;)

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by blafarm on Jul 3^rd, 2002, 12:39pm

Thanks for the recommendation. I'm not that familiar with my options in this area, as I only have experience with logic.

Seems my choice is between Sonor and Cubase. Would you mind sharing you point of view of the differences between the two and why you would lean towards Sonor?

Thanks for your input.

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jul 4^th, 2002, 2:07am

on 07/03/02 at 12:39:36, blafarm wrote:

Would you mind sharing you point of view of the differences between the two and why you would lean towards Sonor?

Thanks for your input.

I am certainly not qualified to give you an unbiased opinion. Why? Because I am one of the creators of SONAR. That's what I do for a living: I work for Cakewalk developing software.

However, it is my opinion that though both Cubase and SONAR are very good professional sequencers, and both are similar in feature set, SONAR 2.0 costs only about 2/3 as much as Cubase SX. Both Steinberg and Cakewalk are offering Competitive sidegrades to former Logic customers. Here are the links for that:

Cubase: http://www.steinberg.net/the_magic_of_sx/index.phtml?sid=04389718

SONAR: http://www.cakewalk.com/Press/07-04-02-Logic_to_SONAR.asp
Also note that Cakewalk is offering a 60 day money back guarantee. Use it for 60 days and then decide.

I recommend you obtain demos of each program and check them out. I also welcome you to visit each manufacturers newsgroups and ask existing customers their opinions.

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by blafarm on Jul 8^th, 2002, 7:17pm

Hi Jamie,

Very impressed with your credentials! Thanks for your neutrality, that shows a lot class.

Quick question: why do you think the functionality of your product has yet to be incorporated into any sequencer products. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Any thoughts?

Thanks again for your response and the links.

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jul 9^th, 2002, 2:17am

I agree that a MIDI monitor of sorts might come in handy at times in a sequencer. But a good part of the time a sequencer is not dealing with real-time performance, so I don't think there has been a clamor for this type of feature from customers. SONAR does have a MIDI Event mapping plugin, but I have to admit it's not as full featured as MIDI-OX.

As far as MIDI-OX itself goes, I have always kept it completely separate from any code or connection to Cakewalk for a couple of reasons: 1) It's developed jointly by me and a programmer who has no business ties to Cakewalk (Jerry), and 2) we want to retain control of it and always keep a version of it freeware.

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by blafarm on Jul 11^th, 2002, 11:09pm

Thanks Jamie,

I'd like to find out more about the Sonor Midi Event Mapping Plug-In. I've tried a number of unsuccessful searches on the Cakewalk site but have found no specific reference. Can you point me in a direction so I can learn more about it?

I'd love to find out if can satisfy my rather simple remapping needs (as described earlier in this thread) as well as whether or not it works in realtime and what kind of latency the process incurrs.

Once again, thanks for your response.

Title: Re: newbie question
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jul 12^th, 2002, 5:44pm

Actually, I'm not entirely familiar with the mapping plug-in or whether it works in realtime (some MIDI plug-ins do). You can download a demo of SONAR from the Cakewalk website.