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(Message started by: Fray on Jun 8^th, 2014, 9:55am)

Title: Mapping of ROLLS MP80 for Ableton
Post by Fray on Jun 8^th, 2014, 9:55am

Hi all!
This is my first topic in this forum, I hope you could help me with my question:
I have a pedal board ROLLS MP80, and I would like use it to map my ableton, but ableton each takes the same signal regardless of the button I pressed, called it "Pitchbend".
I think that the problem is in my midi mapping in midiox, because i haven't idea how configure it to change the my programchainging signal (my midipedal) to note signal (ableton certainly understands this signal).
I hope you can help me, and i'm sorry for my bad english ::)
Thanks you! :D
http://imageshack.com/a/img819/8944/yiik.jpg

Title: Re: Mapping of ROLLS MP80 for Ableton
Post by Breath on Jun 14^th, 2014, 9:08pm

In Live delete the map with the Pitchbend
Make sure you haven't got MidiOx running with any Data Maps functioning between your controller and Live.

Set up your Midi interface from your MP80 as a Remote in the PREFERENCES /MIDI in Live.

Now get in MidiMap mode in Live. Click the control you want to map and now press the button on your MP80. This should sent a Midi message and Live will pick it up and map it to your MP80 button.

You shouldn't need MidiOx in the setup.

All the best
Royce

Title: Re: Mapping of ROLLS MP80 for Ableton
Post by Fray on Jun 16^th, 2014, 8:29am

Hi! thanks for your reply, but the problem persist.
I did what you have say, but when I press one button of my midipedal, the only command is "Pitchbend"...
Do you have other ideas?
Thanks you

Title: Re: Mapping of ROLLS MP80 for Ableton
Post by Breath on Jun 17^th, 2014, 12:06am

Hi
start MidiOx and use the pedal board as you want to.

Cut/copy the data display from MidiOx input window and paste it in a message here so I can see what the pedal board is putting out.

Royce

Title: Re: Mapping of ROLLS MP80 for Ableton
Post by Fray on Jun 20^th, 2014, 6:37pm

http://imageshack.com/a/img823/2145/g258.png

I don't know if my midiox setting is correct (probably no).
As you can see, when I press one button the notes are not activate...

Thanks you for your help!

Title: Re: Mapping of ROLLS MP80 for Ableton
Post by Breath on Jun 20^th, 2014, 10:28pm

You are absolutely correct the Pedal is putting out patch change messages.

I checked putting out PC (patch change) to Live and it does indeed think it is PB (Pitch Bend) .
I would have a chat on the Live Forum about this.

To get you going though I would just change PC to CC not NoteOn

If you don't have a Midi patchcord driver like loopMidi or LoopBE or MidiYoke you can grab a copy of MidiYoke from this website and install it.

This enables you to use the Midi In to the PC with MidiOx to change the PC to CC and then send it to Live via MidiYoke
I will use Midi yoke in this example.

MP80 -> Midi Interface -> MidiOx -> MidiYoke 1 -> Live (MidiYoke 1 set up as a controller in Options/Preferences/Midi)

After installing MidiYoke start MidiOx and go to the Options/Data mapping page.
Clear everything
Press Insert
Select channel 16 and ProgChg and -1 -1 -1 -1
Next line select Match Input and Ctrl and 2 2 -1 -1 (2 is breath control so it shouldn't interfere with anything)
Click Use Input Value 1 (Pull)
Click OK
Click Turn Map On
Click OK

On the Midi Port routing window (View/Port Routings..) you need to link (drag the drawing of the Midi socket on the left to Midi socket on the right) the Midi Interface hardware input port (left side) to MidiYoke 1 on the right

You should now see
BF 02 00
BF 02 02
BF 02 10 etc
in the Output Monitor of MidiOx when you press the pedals.

In Live press the Midi mode button and delete the PitchBend line.
Press a pedal and Live should recognize the channel 16 CC 2 message.

All the best
Royce

Title: Re: Mapping of ROLLS MP80 for Ableton
Post by Fray on Jun 21^st, 2014, 8:22am

Now the signal is changed, but Ableton get every press button in the same mode... every button of my midipedal is "Note/Control = 2", and so I can't assign more commands to more buttons because signals ranging in contrast...

http://imageshack.com/a/img841/271/q4v9.png

thanks you for your help

Title: Re: Mapping of ROLLS MP80 for Ableton
Post by Breath on Jun 21^st, 2014, 9:16am

I guess you must be wanting to launch clips.

Try

Select channel 16 and ProgChg and -1 -1 -1 -1
Next line select Match Input and Ctrl and -1 -1 10 10
Turn off the Pull value 1

This will give you a different CC type for each pedal.
Live will map these messages.

Sorry, its been a while since I mapped manually.
I thought you could manually edit the mapping to use CC values instead of CC types but it seems like Abelton wants you to waste a whole controller per clip.

Royce

Title: Re: Mapping of ROLLS MP80 for Ableton
Post by Fray on Jun 22^nd, 2014, 9:02am

It work!
I have change Ctrl to Note on becouse ableton with the signal ctrl does not start clips! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! you are great! ;D ;D ;D