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(Message started by: uranusdigital on Jan 17^th, 2005, 7:42pm)

Title: At my wits end...serious help needed...please
Post by uranusdigital on Jan 17^th, 2005, 7:42pm

Hi there,
I am at my wits end now, I have tried getting midi yoke right and working for over 6 months. Gave up...and just used normal Cubase VST32 with basic XGedit95 (running a Yamaha SW1000 XG soundcard)...where Cubase controlled what midi instruments I chose.
Now I am determined more than ever to try and get Midi Yoke working somehow, so I can actually change my intrument selection from XGEdit95...but record my midi patterns in Cubase VST32. I have tried for hours and hours and find this very confusing - you have to bear with me, I have very limited understanding with ports, mapping, looping, input/outputs.

To make it easier...I have uploaded a print screen images of my setup to a webserver at:

http://www.uranus.ic24.net/yoke.htm

Please please please, can someone help me? I would be very grateful if someone can have a look at my setup above and tell me what I need to change and how I need to configure.
I thank you soo soo much.
Hopingly.
Sidi.

Title: Re: At my wits end...serious help needed...please
Post by Peter L Jones on Jan 18^th, 2005, 4:42am

I'm not totally sure but I think you may have your ins and outs round the wrong way.

It's often easier to start just drawing out what you want on paper - boxes and arrows, with the boxes being the hardware or applications and the arrows showing which way you want control messages to go.

From what you've said, I think you want this:
XGEdit -> XGcard
Cubase -> XGcard

And you want to filter the messages from Cubase to the XGcard to eliminate program (and bank) changes.

Next you have to remember that the boxes on the sending end of the arrows (XGEdit and Cubase in the above) need to send message OUT, so they open a MIDI Out port.

If the XGCard's Out (actually, Synthesizer) port allowed multiple applications to open it, that's what you'd do: just open it in both applications. No need for MIDI Yoke.

However, on the assumption that doesn't work, you're going to need MIDI OX as well.

What you'll then have is:

XGEdit -> MIDI OX
Cubase -> MIDI OX

MIDI OX -> XGcard

Now, as MIDI OX is an application, it doesn't have MIDI ports, so you need some "virtual MIDI cable" (to borrow someone else's term ;-) ) to make the links. This is where MIDI Yoke comes in. Each MIDI Yoke "junction" provides an output port, an input port and a "cable" joining the two. Like any other MIDI cable, messages travel in one direction only: from the output port to the input port. (The names are the same for both ends of each junction but this isn't really an issue as you won't see outputs listed as inputs in Windows.)

So you'd have:
XGEdit sending to MIDI Yoke Junction 1 (out)
Cubase sending to MIDI Yoke Junction 2 (out)
MIDI OX receiving from MIDI Yoke Junctions 1 and 2 (in)
MIDI OX sending to XGCard (out/synth)

(You could have XGEdit and Cubase writing to the same MIDI Yoke junction ... but then you couldn't filter the bank/program changes.)

Title: Re: At my wits end...serious help needed...please
Post by uranusdigital on Jan 19^th, 2005, 11:51am

Hi, I am sorry but I dont think I understand your reply. This is what I tried from what you said...

XGEdit:
Midi in: SW1000 Midi In
Out A: Nt Yoke1
Out B: Sw1000 2# synthenzier

Cubase: MME setup:
All things made inactive expect:
NT yoke drivers, SW1000 input/outputs etc

Set up Cubase Midi Setup within the program:

In: NT yoke1
Mapped to: NT Yoke 1
Out Sw1000 1# synthenzier

All I got was...nothing. Sound from the soundcard...buts its being manipulated by Cubase.
Need more help.

All I really want to do is to be able to use browser through instruments really quickly whilst making and playing music at the same time in Cubase. The problem with Cubase is...though I have reggies patch...its a cumbersome process to have to keep changing instruments. In XGEdit95, you can browser through the intruments really quickly whilst trying them all out.

Title: Re: At my wits end...serious help needed...please
Post by Peter L Jones on Jan 19^th, 2005, 12:37pm

I don't see where you've used MIDI OX.

Title: Re: At my wits end...serious help needed...please
Post by uranusdigital on Jan 20^th, 2005, 8:32am

OH blimey, I thought it was all being done via the Yoke drivers. Where and what do I put on the Midi OX connection? Your help is real appreciated.

(Please explain in detail...ie launch Midi Ox...go to file menu...choose change connection...drag and drop mouse etc).
Thankyou again

Title: Re: At my wits end...serious help needed...please
Post by Peter L Jones on Jan 21^st, 2005, 5:24am

Options
MIDI Devices
(make sure "Automatically attach Inputs to Output during selection" is checked)
Select the XGcard as an output
Select the (one or) two MIDI Yoke junctions as inputs
Click OK
(at this point it's a good idea to exit MIDI OX so it saves the config, then restart it)

Done.