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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #40 on: Sep 7th, 2002, 11:43am »

It is a comfort of sorts to find I am not the only one still suffering from this problem.
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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #41 on: Sep 21st, 2002, 2:26pm »

I have uploaded another package for those having trouble.  This installer contains an uncompressed driver component, that has helped at least one person install the driver who couldn't before:  
MIDI Yoke page
 
If you had trouble with the old driver, please report back whether this new package helped or not.
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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #42 on: Nov 7th, 2002, 8:18pm »

If you are referring to the file named MyAuto.exe then I'm afraid no joy. That is to say it installs under Legacy Audio Drivers. However Cubase etc. does not see the driver.  
 
This is getting very frustrating indeed!
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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #43 on: Nov 7th, 2002, 9:09pm »

Would there be any point in uninstalling all my MIDI apps and then trying to install the driver? Would that make any difference other than take a whole chunk of my time for nothing?
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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #44 on: Nov 17th, 2002, 1:48pm »

I had the same problem for installing MIDI Yoke 7.1 on a WinXP Pro (French version).  Embarassed
And, yesterday, same problem with Yamaha USB MIDI Driver 2.0.7. Undecided
 
Today I found a solution. Cheesy
 
If you want to apply this solution, use at your risks because this imply the modification of the System Registry and perhaps (?) you have to reinstall all your other MIDI drivers. Huh
 
First, deinstall the MIDI Yoke Driver and reboot.
Launch REGEDIT and go to the key: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32
If you see many values like midi1, midi2, ..., midi9  and Wave1, Wave2, ..., Wave9 then delete the values exclusively assigned to the driver WDMAUD.DRV
Quit REGEDIT, install MIDI YOKE 1.71 and reboot.
Afer that you see (??!!) now "MIDI Yoke NT: 1" to "MIDI Yoke NT: 8" in your MIDI applications.  
 
Also, I have modified the OEMSETUP.INF file for more compatibility with WinXP.
Jamie, I can upload this file if you want (in this forum or another place ?). The modified OEMSETUP.INF is exclusively for the MIDI Yoke version 1.71.
 
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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #45 on: Nov 18th, 2002, 1:36am »

Your message is intriguing.  I don't know if everyone having problems has this situation, but I appreciate your report.  I encourage anyone having trouble to at least inspect their registry to see if they have a similar situation.
 
You are welcome to email me the .INF file.  You can send it to jamieoconnell@midiox.com.
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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #46 on: Nov 19th, 2002, 12:06pm »

Full marks to Audio Flonflon! You have solved my Midi Yoke problem altogether. Cheers matey Smiley
 
A work of advice: before editing the registry, make sure you back it up first, in case you mess things up by deleting the wrong entry.
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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #47 on: Dec 3rd, 2002, 6:59pm »


I just found the same solution on the RME newsgroup. The RME page is:
 
http://www.rme-audio.de/english/faq/10entrye.htm
 
It worked for MIDIoverLAN and I'm sure it'll work for all the other XP MIDI drivers having install issues.
 
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« Reply #48 on: Dec 4th, 2002, 2:00am »

Thanks for the info.  The URL is indeed helpful.  I will post it to the other related threads.
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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #49 on: Dec 15th, 2002, 9:48pm »

I have ordered a card to replace my original SBLive card, and the new card does not support MIDI or soundfonts.
 
I have LiveSynth Pro and Sonar, and am happy with those.  But I use other MIDI sequencers/composers, mostly Noteworthy Composer because it's quick.  But NWC is not DXi compatible...
 
A couple of people on the Sonar newsgroup recommended Midi Yoke to me.  
 
I have Win2k SP3 + pre-SP4 hotfixes, the NT version of MIDI Yoke did not install.  Got no error messages but didn't see the config dialog either.  After rebooting can see the message in device manager: "Status: driver is enabled but not functioning properly".  
 
I tried your Auto tool but that too did not work.
 
Then I found this thread and advice to hack the registry.  When I opened the registry I found MIDI Yoke on MIDI10, and all the other MIDI and Wave entries on wdmaud.sys.
 
As per above suggestions, I deleted the midi and wave entries that pointed to wdmaud.sys, plus the one entry for MIDI Yoke.
 
I deinstalled MIDI Yoke, rebooted, then tried again with Hardware wizard.
 
Midi Yoke version 1.71 is now installed on my Win2k system.
 
I don't have it working yet between NWC and Sonar, but others have made it work so I'm sure there is an answer.
 
Just wanted to let you know what my install experience was like.
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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #50 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 12:10am »

It is unfortunate that the install can be so convoluted, but I am glad you got it there.
 
It wasn't clear whether you wanted to send MIDI from NWC to SONAR or vice versa, but to send from NWC to SONAR you would choose MIDI Yoke 1 as Output in NWC and MIDI Yoke 1 as Input to SONAR.  Then you'd hook up your Soft Synths in SONAR.
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« Reply #51 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 1:56am »

Yes, I would like to work in NWC and have Sonar's LiveSynth Pro handle the playback using my soundfont banks.
 
I enabled Midi Yoke 1 as the output in NWC.  However, there is no Midi Yoke device listed in Sonar on the Track inputs (the Midi-Yoke items are listed in the options setup for MIDI devices, I have made sure all of those are selected).  But not on any MIDI track inputs.  (Sonar 2.1)
 
While I do get playback in Sonar and LiveSynth of the MIDI being sent from NWC, the patch assignment does not seem to be going along... or Sonar/Livesynth is not set up to 'see' the patch assignments, not sure yet what the problem is.  Seems like no matter what I do, I still get only piano (first GM patch) playing on all tracks via LiveSynth.  Yet I have the same GM bank loaded into LiveSynth that I have loaded into the SBLive.  LiveSynth tracks created right in Sonar play the correct patches, as does NWC using the SBLive hardware.  Only the feed from NWC to Sonar/LiveSynth via midi yoke has the playback limited to a the first GM patch.
 
If anyone here has specific experience with feeding Sonar 2.0/2.1 and LiveSynth via Midi Yoke, and getting all the tracks to play back with the correct bank and patch #'s (as fed via MIDI stream), I'd like to know what your Sonar project looks like.  (I have posted in the Sonar newsgroup for help with this, but it doesn't hurt to post here, too...)
 
TIA for any help.
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« Reply #52 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 2:31am »

To get a Bank and Patch assigned to a Track in SONAR, you need to assign a MIDI channel on the track.  Then you can choose the Bank and Patch that should be sounded.
 
While it is possible to record a patch change on a SONAR MIDI track, that is rarely done: it's much better to assign the Bank and Patch right on the track.  Just assign a forced channel to each MIDI track.
 
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However, there is no Midi Yoke device listed in Sonar on the Track inputs (the Midi-Yoke items are listed in the options setup for MIDI devices, I have made sure all of those are selected).  But not on any MIDI track inputs.  (Sonar 2.1)  

 
That is completely expected: in SONAR all connected inputs are routed to the current track during live input, and to all Armed tracks during MIDI recording.
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« Reply #53 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 8:26am »

>>>To get a Bank and Patch assigned to a Track in SONAR, you need to assign a MIDI channel on the track.  Then you can choose the Bank and Patch that should be sounded. <<<
 
That's a ton of work, just to be able to hear my sequencer... I was hoping to have a generic project in Sonar that I could open and change the SF banks, and voila - all playback through LiveSynth.  That would be no more trouble than it is today, to use Creative's AudioHQ to load a new set of SF banks for the current work.
 
A person in the Sonar group seems to think what I want to do should work OK, using MIDI Omni on a single track for input source, piping all the channels to LiveSynth.  But perhaps if will not?
 
 
>>>While it is possible to record a patch change on a  
SONAR MIDI track, that is rarely done: it's much better  
to assign the Bank and Patch right on the track.  Just assign a forced channel to each MIDI track. <<<
 
I would certainly do that, and would just source from LiveSynth directly, without MIDI Yoke, if I was actually wanting to do the work in Sonar.  But what I'm really after is to have LiveSynth DXi play whatever is in NWC with a minimum of fuss.  That could be playback of work just for enjoyment purposes, as well as composing and arranging work in NWC.  (There is a LiveSynth Personal Edition available, which is exactly what I need.  But it is not for Win2k! or all my issues would be solved.)
 
Thank you again for help.  I'm still looking for the best (simplest!) way to accomplish what I want to do.
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« Reply #54 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 10:16am »

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A person in the Sonar group seems to think what I want to do should work OK, using MIDI Omni on a single track for input source, piping all the channels to LiveSynth.  But perhaps if will not?  

 
That should work OK. It wasn't clear that you wanted to use SONAR only as a live input device.  Unfortunately, that is one of its weakest features.
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« Reply #55 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 10:36am »

I apologize if I wasn't clear earlier.  I'm replacing my SBLive with a card that has no soundfont support.  I want to continue to use NWC for arranging and composing, I want to use a SoftSynth that supports soundfonts.  (I could just use the yucky GS wavetable but I really like to hear the MIDI using the fonts I've chosen for it.)
 
I'll only go to Sonar once I'm pretty much done with the MIDI part of the project, as NWC is very fast and easy to use (and I need to print parts scores as well, which NWC does as well).
 
So, someone on the Sonar group recommended MIDI Yoke as a way to utilize LiveSynth DXi, since I already own it.
 
Anyway, I do think I am having a problem with MIDI Yoke.  Maybe due to the registry hack to get it installed on Win2k?  Not sure.
 
(BTW, I think this conversation should be moved out of the installer issues thread, but I don't know how to do that, do you agree and can you help?)
 
Here's what I last posted in Sonar newsgroup about playback via MIDI Yoke feed into Sonar and LiveSynth:
 
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NWC:  Four channels MIDI, using one GM soundfont bank when playing through SBLive.  All four channels have different instruments, all can be heard on playback.  Now, change NWC to output to MIDI Yoke.
 
Sonar Track 1:  LiveSynth track (inserted using "insert DXi synth").  Input device is LiveSynth Output, Output device is SBLive Audio 1/2.  SF Bank loaded via Synth properties into Bank 0, the same GM bank as is loaded into SBLive Bank 0.
 
Track 2:  Midi track.  Input device is Midi Omni, output device is LiveSynth.  No channel, bank or patch assignments.
 
This is very strange!  Now, when I play back the score in NWC, the pianos on channel 1 are still OK (I even changed to Rhodes piano patch in NWC, just to make sure I was hearing the right patch through LiveSynth).  But now, channels 3, 4, and 5 are playing back as percussion!!!!
 
So, I closed that Sonar project and loaded the MIDI file directly into Sonar, and set it up to use LiveSynth only (separate MIDI tracks with channel and bank selection, just as I would do it if I were going to work directly in Sonar.)  Same GM bank.  Playback sounded fine.  I did this just to make sure LiveSynth was playing correctly.
 
Another strange thing!  I closed THAT project, and re-opened the first project.  I played back via NWC again and I got the right instruments playing! -- but the notes don't shut off once played!  It was a mess and the sound wouldn't shut off after I stopped playback in NWC.  I had to disengage Sonar's audio engine to stop the sound.  (I double-checked, I do NOT have input monitoring selected in Sonar.)
 
I sure do have a routing problem somewhere, that opening and closing a LiveSynth project would have an impact on a completely separate project.  Hmmm.  Not sure where to look but I'll keep trying.  Probably it's MIDI Yoke so I'll post over on that forum.
 
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What do you think about this?  I don't know that it's Midi-Yoke, but I don't know how else to isolate Midi-Yoke so I can prove/disprove its involvement.   Playback via SBLive soundfonts is fine, playback through Sonar and Livesynth as a MIDI project are fine.  Only the playback from NWC via MIDI Yoke into Sonar seems to be sending the wrong channel and/or patch assignments.
 
TIA, as always.  Your help is appreciated.
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Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
« Reply #56 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 11:40am »

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What do you think about this?  I don't know that it's Midi-Yoke, but I don't know how else to isolate Midi-Yoke so I can prove/disprove its involvement.   Playback via SBLive soundfonts is fine, playback through Sonar and Livesynth as a MIDI project are fine.  Only the playback from NWC via MIDI Yoke into Sonar seems to be sending the wrong channel and/or patch assignments.  

 
It is very easy to determine this by inserting MIDI-OX in the chain, and looking at the data in the monitor.  In MIDI-OX. choose MIDI Yoke 1 as your input device and MIDI Yoke 2 as your output device.  In SONAR, substitute MIDI Yoke 2 for MIDI Yoke 1 as input (do not choose both of them).  For each Note On appearing in the MIDI-OX monitor, there should be a corresponding Note Off  (or Note On with 0 velocity).
 
We've never seen MIDI Yoke munge MIDI message data, but you should convince yourself about this.  
 
I can't move part of a thread (only a whole thread) to a different topic, so you should just start a new thread in MIDI Yoke NT.  
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« Reply #57 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 1:07pm »

Thank you!  Midi-OX shows that all is flowing correctly into Sonar and LiveSynth, so the problem must lie with either LiveSynth or Sonar.  Off to write LiveSynth support first...
 
Thank you again for all the help.  Sorry to have cluttered up this thread!!  Will post in the correct forum if I should have anything further related to MIDI Yoke.
 
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« Reply #58 on: Dec 19th, 2002, 1:51pm »

OK.  I think this topic has grown to its useful limit now, and I'm going to lock it.
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