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(Message started by: Steven_Bell on Oct 26^th, 2001, 2:27am)

Title: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Steven_Bell on Oct 26^th, 2001, 2:27am

Installing under W2K seems pretty straight-forward and as far as I can tell went just like the instructions (except the settings box did not come up).

I rebooted, but when I look for the device in SONAR, MIDI Ox or AutoTune 3, it does not appear in the drop-down list.

I went into Control Panel and can see it there with the rest of the audio hardware, but it is not shown on the list of MIDI devices under the Audio tab.

Under MIDI Yoke NT Driver properties (General):
No drivers are installed for this device.

This is my first installation of the product so I did not have to un-install the previous version. Is it necessary to start with that version and then upgrade to this one?

Do you have any suggestions as to what I can try?

TIA,

Steven Bell
Top of the Hill Music

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Oct 26^th, 2001, 10:23am

It is not a good sign that the settings box did not appear. That would indicate installation failure. ??? Make sure you are installing with Administrator priveleges, and try re-installation. Do you have other MIDI devices installed on the machine?

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Steven_Bell on Oct 26^th, 2001, 12:42pm

Yes, I'm logged on as Administrator, so it's not that.
I've tried it a few times. No error messages.

I have a SB 16 PCI I use for MIDI.
I also have two delta 1010's that have MIDI devices.
All of these appear.

I'm going to try disabling the MIDI on the 1010's and see if that helps.

Thank you for your help. I've heard this is a great tool.

Steven

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Oct 28^th, 2001, 9:35pm

The only other thing I can think of is to make sure that you are not blocking unsigned drivers. In Control Panel | System | Hardware | [Driver Signing...], make sure that File System Verification is set to Warn or Ignore, and not Block ;)

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Steven_Bell on Oct 29^th, 2001, 12:01am

M-Audio doesn't have signed drivers either, so I'm used to the warning.

Just to make sure, I did check and it is set for "warn".

I don't think this has anything to do with the limited number of ports supported by WDM, right?

Steven

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Oct 31^st, 2001, 10:11pm

I don't think that WDM would have any effect on this, but anything is possible :(. The only time the config dialog failed for me was when I didn't choose "Sound, video and game controllers" in the Add New Hardware applet, but you say that you've followed the pictures exactly, so that wouldn't be a factor.

Have you installed Service Pack 2 for Win 2000?

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Steven_Bell on Nov 1^st, 2001, 12:36am

Thanks for the ideas, but I'm pretty sure I added it under Sound, video and game controllers. In fact, that is where I was able to see it listed. I just couldn't get the Properties to work.

Steven

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Nov 1^st, 2001, 9:19am

Another thing to check is that MYokeNT.dll exists in the WinNT\System32 directory, has size 29,696 bytes, and shows version 1.70.0.017. You could try removeing it before re-installation.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by dynamixii on Nov 16^th, 2001, 1:31am

I have read all previous posts. This is what is happening to me too :( I am running XP and installed the most recent ver of MidiYoke. The size is correct too. When looking at the device in the device manager I see it there but upon clicking on the driver properties it says driver is enabled but not functioning properly.

Listed in my Device Manager/Sound and Video Game Controllers/

Audio Codecs
CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device
Creamware Pulsar 2
emagic Unitor8 -Midi,Smpte, vitc,ltc
Legacy Audio Drivers
Lagacy Video Capture Devices
Media Control Devices
Midi Yoke NT Driver
Standard Game Port
Video Codecs

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Nov 16^th, 2001, 9:23am

Were you presented with the configuration dialog when you installed MIDI Yoke?

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by dynamixii on Nov 16^th, 2001, 11:47am

no.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Nov 16^th, 2001, 6:02pm

Well this is a tough one because I have never been able to reproduce the installation failing. I will assume that for people it has failed on that, they have gone through the pictorial example steps frame by frame and the only frame that is different is #16:

http://www.midiox.com/images/instxp16.jpg

Is that correct?

Public Request
If anyone has had a similar installation problem, and has found a way around it, please relate your experiences here.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by dynamixii on Nov 16^th, 2001, 8:56pm

Yes, you are correct. the config never shows up :(

I followed the instructions step by step.

Running Win XP Pro

and Did all my online updates....

DII ::)

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by void on Feb 28^th, 2002, 4:11pm

anything new to this topic?

I don't seem to get the Configure Dialog either... allthough I followed the instructions exactly.

It seems that on my win2k system the DRV_CONFIGURE message is not send to myokent.dll while installing the driver. Strange thing is, that when I use the following test hack, everything works fine (I can see the Dialog!)

HDRVR handle= OpenDriver( L"myokent.dll", NULL, 0 );
if( handle )
{
if( SendDriverMessage( handle, DRV_INSTALL, 0, 0 ) != 0 )
{
CloseDriver( handle, 0, 0 );
}

// Make sure driver has a configuration dialog box.
if( SendDriverMessage( handle, DRV_QUERYCONFIGURE, 0, 0 ) != 0 )
{
DRVCONFIGINFO dci;

// Set the DRVCONFIGINFO structure and send the message
dci.dwDCISize = sizeof (dci);
dci.lpszDCISectionName = (LPWSTR)0;
dci.lpszDCIAliasName = (LPWSTR)0;
SendDriverMessage( handle, DRV_CONFIGURE, 0, (LONG)&dci );
}
}

CloseDriver( handle, 0, 0 );

There's something strange with the Driver installation process on my system, I guess
:'(

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by fuckingdesign on Apr 13^th, 2002, 3:02pm

i have the same problem on a very fresh installed, very good running xp pro.
installed the newest version, settings box didn't show, driver is after rebooting "enabled but not functioning properly".
i uninstalled and installed older version, same problem.
no idea how to get it working.

my only other midi device is a roland um-1 usb.

is there any other midi loopback driver running under xp?

my only workaround idea is the hardware sollution: to buy another roland um-1 (ca. 40$) and connect the input and output of it. just one connection instead of 8, but enough for me right now.
okay, a 10$ soundboard would do it as well, but i'm running on a laptop.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by fuckingdesign on Apr 13^th, 2002, 4:43pm

i just found out about the "sonic foundry virtual MIDI router" beeing a possible alternative solution. tried it. same problem. during installation the settings-box that should appear as described in installation manual doesn't show, after rebooting it's installed but "status: driver is enabled but not functioning properly" in the "properties"-box. in this box is as well the same phenomenon like with the midiyoke: there are two radio-button under each other, but no text right of them and under it a "Settings..."-button that makes exactly nothing when clicked. :(

another alternative i've found about is NTONYX MIDI matrix:http://www.ntonyx.com/matrix.html, which is commercial, 14$. i didn't try yet, i'm afraid to spend 14$ for just reading "status: driver is enabled but not functioning properly". does anybody know if it fixes the problem?

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Apr 14^th, 2002, 1:11am

on 04/13/02 at 15:02:58, fuckingdesign wrote:

i have the same problem on a very fresh installed, very good running xp pro.
...is there any other midi loopback driver running under xp?

I think you found the other options. I would like to fix this problem, but we still don't know what causes it? For the record, are you using ACPI mode or Standard PC?

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by fuckingdesign on Apr 14^th, 2002, 8:42am

on 04/14/02 at 01:11:06, Jamie OConnell wrote:

For the record, are you using ACPI mode or Standard PC?

i think ACPI mode (i can use the hibernating standby mode), but i don't remember an option to choose from these both during installation, perhaps ACPI is standart on compatible laptops.

can i change it easily without reinstalling and might midiyoke work then?

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Apr 14^th, 2002, 3:21pm

I'd recommend you keep using whatever mode is working. I asked about this because one fellow, who couldn't install MIDI Yoke (or the Sonic Foundry driver) thought it might be because he was using Standard PC Mode -- it installed correctly on his other machine which was using ACPI. I wanted to make sure that ACPI vs. Standard PC is not a factor, and now I'm fairly certain that it is not.

The person that happened to was able to eventually get MIDI Yoke installed by repeated installation attempts -- it worked on the 3rd or 4th attempt for him: see the win2k installation fails thread.

Title: Warning!! NTONYX MIDI Matrix doesn't work as well!
Post by fuckingdesign on Apr 20^th, 2002, 1:52pm

i just purchased NTONYX MIDI Matrix for 14$ and the problem is exactly the same like with "midi yoke NT" and "sonic foundry vmr (virtual midi router)"! :'(
i'm waiting for an answer of their support, if they have an idea it might solve the problem of the other two as well.
keep you updated...

Title: Won't install properly
Post by cpuoverload on May 11^th, 2002, 8:47am

For me I have the same problem with WinXP as already mentioned in the other thread (Midiyoke NT v1.7)

The installer finished with the error message "The System cannot find the file specified" (translated that from german).
System has ACPI enabled, removing all other MIDI devices did not make it work.

The myoke.dll is copied properly into windows\system32.

"Virtual MIDI Router" from Sonic Foundry shows exactly the same behaviour. :(

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by cpuoverload on May 11^th, 2002, 8:51am

If someone gets an answer from NTONYX I desperatley need to know what the problem is with there product, might be all the same cause for all three products (VMR,Midiyoke,Midi Matrix)

cpuoverload@*removethis*gmx.net

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by fuckingdesign on May 11^th, 2002, 11:27am

hi, i had the same problem, tried all 3 programs and neither of them worked. ntonyx midi matrix had exacly the same problem, their support answered they have no idea about it, it worked under many testing environments and nobody had this problem before with their program. I DID. perhaps it's just that they don't sell many copies because all their competitors are freeware. (perhaps i was the first ;D)

anyway, i reinstalled all my system (having fun with endless installation-error und restarting loop with xp pro setup, had to use recovery cd from laptop manufactor, lost ALL my data; in short: i had the fun of my life) but with 20 hours of that kind of work i finally tried to install midi matrix, it worked right away, then i tried midi yoke, works as well (i think it has even better feedback prevention).

in short: in my case

only reinstalling my operating system solved the problem.
there is no difference in the phenomenon between midiyoke, vmr and midi matrix

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by in_a_rush on Jun 24^th, 2002, 7:34am

Im another one who cant install in Win 2000. Runiing standard pc mode. I have installed , rebooted , re installed. No comfimation box or list of any midi yoke drivers. Does any previous version work? Any way round this problem as it is completely stopping my work routine (im used to being on win 98SE when things were ok)

Thanks for your efforts.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Jul 18^th, 2002, 11:37am

For the record, I am another one experiencing the problems described. I am running XP (Home) and have my system set to Standard mode.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jul 19^th, 2002, 1:23am

OK, well I now have an experimental installer for those having trouble installing MIDI Yoke NT to try out. The auto-installer works fine for me on Win 2000 and Win XP, but then I don't have trouble with the original installer either.

If you're game to try it: MYNTAuto.exe (http://www.midiox.com/zip/myntauto.exe)

Please let me know how it goes. If it's working for people, I'll give it wider distribution.

Additional Information:
If you use the automatic installer, the driver will not be displayed in plain sight in the Sounds And Audio Devices Property, Hardware TAB, but is listed inside the Legacy Audio Drivers line in that dialog. Expand those properties to get to the driver configuration. It can also be reached in the System applet: Hardware, Device Manager, Legacy Audio Drivers, Properties. You need to access it from there to adjust or Remove it.

The Auto-installer will not display the configuration dialog. The only way to determine it worked is to reboot and look for MIDI Yoke NT to appear as a driver choice in MIDI applicatations.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Jul 20^th, 2002, 1:58pm

Installed the above OK but the ins and outs still do not appear in Setup MME. Annoying!

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jul 21^st, 2002, 12:24am

Do the MIDI Yoke Inputs and Outputs appear in MIDI-OX Options | MIDI Devices...?

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Jul 21^st, 2002, 8:52pm

In a word, no.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jul 21^st, 2002, 10:10pm

Well that's depressing, but it's good information anyway. What this means is that a forced registry editing to emulate a Legacy device driver will not work on these systems that don't like virtual drivers.

The only other experiment to try (or anyone else experiencing this problem -- Win XP only), is to setup MYNTAuto.exe to run in Win NT 4 compatibility mode. To do this, right-click on the exe and choose the compatibility TAB. Then choose [x] Run this program in compatibility mode for
Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 5)

I don't know if this will help, but it's worth a try.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Jul 23^rd, 2002, 6:27pm

How would I be able to tell if I have a VST instrument installed that has compatibility issues with MIDI Yoke? This could hold the key.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Jul 23^rd, 2002, 8:43pm

I can't be certain, but I don't think VST instruments would have any negative interaction with MIDI Yoke. When installed, MIDI Yoke becomes part of the operating system like any other driver -- VSTs are plug-ins that need a host application to interact with.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Jul 30^th, 2002, 1:44pm

I am really referring to the VST Instruments that include standalone versions and offer to install dedicated ports. B4, Pro52 and Reaktor are examples. It could be something like this that could be causing the obstruction you see.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Aug 1^st, 2002, 8:32am

I see. When those programs are running stand-alone, the fact that they also provide a VST (and DXi) interface should be of no consequence: they aren't using the VST part of their existence. I have no trouble using MIDI Yoke NT with B4 or Reaktor.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Aug 10^th, 2002, 11:29am

I am still keen to know what is causing the obstruction. I have both Cubase 5.1 and SX installed on the same machine. Could this be significant? I am also use Reason 2.0.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Aug 10^th, 2002, 12:12pm

I don't have any version of Cubase or Reason, but I don't think that this would be a mitigating factor -- Many people are using MIDI Yoke NT with those products.

If I understand correctly, you are having trouble getting MIDI Yoke installed on Windows XP Home. Even after running the auto-installer and then re-trying the manual installer you are unable to get MIDI Yoke NT to show up in the MIDI-OX Options | MIDI Devices... dialog -- right?

If this is the case it is unfortunate, but I am out of ideas. The other people who have had this problem were only able to solve it by a complete re-install of Windows, but I don't think that even that is a guarantee that it will work.

What other MIDI devices are on your system? What other devices show up in MIDI-OX Options | Devices...?

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Aug 12^th, 2002, 7:56am

I use a Midisport 2x2 USB MIDI interface, along with the MIDI port on my Soundblaster 16 pci interface and the built in port on my motherboard (crap I know but it performs basic Windows duties and takes some of the strain off my Delta 44 card.)

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by tomasvp on Sep 1^st, 2002, 2:28pm

I have the same problem.

New PC, fresch XP, reason, cubase SX, USB DUO soundscard from midiman and USB Keyboard Oxygen8 from Midiman.

I can not install the driver. When installing (i read carefully all the previous posts and tryed the autoinstaller) I do not get the configuration screen for the Yoke-device.

Has anyone got an idee to a solution. Obviously even comm appl. are not a sure read?

Thanks,

Tomas

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Sep 1^st, 2002, 2:38pm

I should have pointed out that the Auto-installer will not display the configuration dialog. The only way to determine it worked is to reboot and look for MIDI Yoke NT to appear as a driver choice in MIDI applicatations.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by tomasvp on Sep 3^rd, 2002, 11:55am

Unfortunately, it doen't appear in a midiapplication.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Tomas

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Sep 7^th, 2002, 11:43am

It is a comfort of sorts to find I am not the only one still suffering from this problem.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Sep 21^st, 2002, 2:26pm

I have uploaded another package for those having trouble. This installer contains an uncompressed driver component, that has helped at least one person install the driver who couldn't before:
MIDI Yoke page (http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm#Download)

If you had trouble with the old driver, please report back whether this new package helped or not.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Nov 7^th, 2002, 8:18pm

If you are referring to the file named MyAuto.exe then I'm afraid no joy. That is to say it installs under Legacy Audio Drivers. However Cubase etc. does not see the driver.

This is getting very frustrating indeed!

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Nov 7^th, 2002, 9:09pm

Would there be any point in uninstalling all my MIDI apps and then trying to install the driver? Would that make any difference other than take a whole chunk of my time for nothing?

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by audio.flonflon on Nov 17^th, 2002, 1:48pm

I had the same problem for installing MIDI Yoke 7.1 on a WinXP Pro (French version). :-[
And, yesterday, same problem with Yamaha USB MIDI Driver 2.0.7. :-/

Today I found a solution. :D

If you want to apply this solution, use at your risks because this imply the modification of the System Registry and perhaps (?) you have to reinstall all your other MIDI drivers. ???

First, deinstall the MIDI Yoke Driver and reboot.
Launch REGEDIT and go to the key: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32
If you see many values like midi1, midi2, ..., midi9 and Wave1, Wave2, ..., Wave9 then delete the values exclusively assigned to the driver WDMAUD.DRV
Quit REGEDIT, install MIDI YOKE 1.71 and reboot.
Afer that you see (??!!) now "MIDI Yoke NT: 1" to "MIDI Yoke NT: 8" in your MIDI applications.

Also, I have modified the OEMSETUP.INF file for more compatibility with WinXP.
Jamie, I can upload this file if you want (in this forum or another place ?). The modified OEMSETUP.INF is exclusively for the MIDI Yoke version 1.71.

Audio Flonflon ;D

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Nov 18^th, 2002, 1:36am

Your message is intriguing. I don't know if everyone having problems has this situation, but I appreciate your report. I encourage anyone having trouble to at least inspect their registry to see if they have a similar situation.

You are welcome to email me the .INF file. You can send it to jamieoconnell@midiox.com.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by lxworld on Nov 19^th, 2002, 12:06pm

Full marks to Audio Flonflon! You have solved my Midi Yoke problem altogether. Cheers matey :)

A work of advice: before editing the registry, make sure you back it up first, in case you mess things up by deleting the wrong entry.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Q on Dec 3^rd, 2002, 6:59pm

I just found the same solution on the RME newsgroup. The RME page is:

http://www.rme-audio.de/english/faq/10entrye.htm

It worked for MIDIoverLAN and I'm sure it'll work for all the other XP MIDI drivers having install issues.

:)

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Dec 4^th, 2002, 2:00am

Thanks for the info. The URL is indeed helpful. I will post it to the other related threads.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by appyface on Dec 15^th, 2002, 9:48pm

I have ordered a card to replace my original SBLive card, and the new card does not support MIDI or soundfonts.

I have LiveSynth Pro and Sonar, and am happy with those. But I use other MIDI sequencers/composers, mostly Noteworthy Composer because it's quick. But NWC is not DXi compatible...

A couple of people on the Sonar newsgroup recommended Midi Yoke to me.

I have Win2k SP3 + pre-SP4 hotfixes, the NT version of MIDI Yoke did not install. Got no error messages but didn't see the config dialog either. After rebooting can see the message in device manager: "Status: driver is enabled but not functioning properly".

I tried your Auto tool but that too did not work.

Then I found this thread and advice to hack the registry. When I opened the registry I found MIDI Yoke on MIDI10, and all the other MIDI and Wave entries on wdmaud.sys.

As per above suggestions, I deleted the midi and wave entries that pointed to wdmaud.sys, plus the one entry for MIDI Yoke.

I deinstalled MIDI Yoke, rebooted, then tried again with Hardware wizard.

Midi Yoke version 1.71 is now installed on my Win2k system.

I don't have it working yet between NWC and Sonar, but others have made it work so I'm sure there is an answer.

Just wanted to let you know what my install experience was like.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Dec 16^th, 2002, 12:10am

It is unfortunate that the install can be so convoluted, but I am glad you got it there.

It wasn't clear whether you wanted to send MIDI from NWC to SONAR or vice versa, but to send from NWC to SONAR you would choose MIDI Yoke 1 as Output in NWC and MIDI Yoke 1 as Input to SONAR. Then you'd hook up your Soft Synths in SONAR.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by appyface on Dec 16^th, 2002, 1:56am

Yes, I would like to work in NWC and have Sonar's LiveSynth Pro handle the playback using my soundfont banks.

I enabled Midi Yoke 1 as the output in NWC. However, there is no Midi Yoke device listed in Sonar on the Track inputs (the Midi-Yoke items are listed in the options setup for MIDI devices, I have made sure all of those are selected). But not on any MIDI track inputs. (Sonar 2.1)

While I do get playback in Sonar and LiveSynth of the MIDI being sent from NWC, the patch assignment does not seem to be going along... or Sonar/Livesynth is not set up to 'see' the patch assignments, not sure yet what the problem is. Seems like no matter what I do, I still get only piano (first GM patch) playing on all tracks via LiveSynth. Yet I have the same GM bank loaded into LiveSynth that I have loaded into the SBLive. LiveSynth tracks created right in Sonar play the correct patches, as does NWC using the SBLive hardware. Only the feed from NWC to Sonar/LiveSynth via midi yoke has the playback limited to a the first GM patch.

If anyone here has specific experience with feeding Sonar 2.0/2.1 and LiveSynth via Midi Yoke, and getting all the tracks to play back with the correct bank and patch #'s (as fed via MIDI stream), I'd like to know what your Sonar project looks like. (I have posted in the Sonar newsgroup for help with this, but it doesn't hurt to post here, too...)

TIA for any help.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Dec 16^th, 2002, 2:31am

To get a Bank and Patch assigned to a Track in SONAR, you need to assign a MIDI channel on the track. Then you can choose the Bank and Patch that should be sounded.

While it is possible to record a patch change on a SONAR MIDI track, that is rarely done: it's much better to assign the Bank and Patch right on the track. Just assign a forced channel to each MIDI track.

Quote:

However, there is no Midi Yoke device listed in Sonar on the Track inputs (the Midi-Yoke items are listed in the options setup for MIDI devices, I have made sure all of those are selected). But not on any MIDI track inputs. (Sonar 2.1)

That is completely expected: in SONAR all connected inputs are routed to the current track during live input, and to all Armed tracks during MIDI recording.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by appyface on Dec 16^th, 2002, 8:26am

>>>To get a Bank and Patch assigned to a Track in SONAR, you need to assign a MIDI channel on the track. Then you can choose the Bank and Patch that should be sounded. <<<

That's a ton of work, just to be able to hear my sequencer... I was hoping to have a generic project in Sonar that I could open and change the SF banks, and voila - all playback through LiveSynth. That would be no more trouble than it is today, to use Creative's AudioHQ to load a new set of SF banks for the current work.

A person in the Sonar group seems to think what I want to do should work OK, using MIDI Omni on a single track for input source, piping all the channels to LiveSynth. But perhaps if will not?

>>>While it is possible to record a patch change on a
SONAR MIDI track, that is rarely done: it's much better
to assign the Bank and Patch right on the track. Just assign a forced channel to each MIDI track. <<<

I would certainly do that, and would just source from LiveSynth directly, without MIDI Yoke, if I was actually wanting to do the work in Sonar. But what I'm really after is to have LiveSynth DXi play whatever is in NWC with a minimum of fuss. That could be playback of work just for enjoyment purposes, as well as composing and arranging work in NWC. (There is a LiveSynth Personal Edition available, which is exactly what I need. But it is not for Win2k! or all my issues would be solved.)

Thank you again for help. I'm still looking for the best (simplest!) way to accomplish what I want to do.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Dec 16^th, 2002, 10:16am

Quote:

A person in the Sonar group seems to think what I want to do should work OK, using MIDI Omni on a single track for input source, piping all the channels to LiveSynth. But perhaps if will not?

That should work OK. It wasn't clear that you wanted to use SONAR only as a live input device. Unfortunately, that is one of its weakest features.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by appyface on Dec 16^th, 2002, 10:36am

I apologize if I wasn't clear earlier. I'm replacing my SBLive with a card that has no soundfont support. I want to continue to use NWC for arranging and composing, I want to use a SoftSynth that supports soundfonts. (I could just use the yucky GS wavetable but I really like to hear the MIDI using the fonts I've chosen for it.)

I'll only go to Sonar once I'm pretty much done with the MIDI part of the project, as NWC is very fast and easy to use (and I need to print parts scores as well, which NWC does as well).

So, someone on the Sonar group recommended MIDI Yoke as a way to utilize LiveSynth DXi, since I already own it.

Anyway, I do think I am having a problem with MIDI Yoke. Maybe due to the registry hack to get it installed on Win2k? Not sure.

(BTW, I think this conversation should be moved out of the installer issues thread, but I don't know how to do that, do you agree and can you help?)

Here's what I last posted in Sonar newsgroup about playback via MIDI Yoke feed into Sonar and LiveSynth:

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NWC: Four channels MIDI, using one GM soundfont bank when playing through SBLive. All four channels have different instruments, all can be heard on playback. Now, change NWC to output to MIDI Yoke.

Sonar Track 1: LiveSynth track (inserted using "insert DXi synth"). Input device is LiveSynth Output, Output device is SBLive Audio 1/2. SF Bank loaded via Synth properties into Bank 0, the same GM bank as is loaded into SBLive Bank 0.

Track 2: Midi track. Input device is Midi Omni, output device is LiveSynth. No channel, bank or patch assignments.

This is very strange! Now, when I play back the score in NWC, the pianos on channel 1 are still OK (I even changed to Rhodes piano patch in NWC, just to make sure I was hearing the right patch through LiveSynth). But now, channels 3, 4, and 5 are playing back as percussion!!!!

So, I closed that Sonar project and loaded the MIDI file directly into Sonar, and set it up to use LiveSynth only (separate MIDI tracks with channel and bank selection, just as I would do it if I were going to work directly in Sonar.) Same GM bank. Playback sounded fine. I did this just to make sure LiveSynth was playing correctly.

Another strange thing! I closed THAT project, and re-opened the first project. I played back via NWC again and I got the right instruments playing! -- but the notes don't shut off once played! It was a mess and the sound wouldn't shut off after I stopped playback in NWC. I had to disengage Sonar's audio engine to stop the sound. (I double-checked, I do NOT have input monitoring selected in Sonar.)

I sure do have a routing problem somewhere, that opening and closing a LiveSynth project would have an impact on a completely separate project. Hmmm. Not sure where to look but I'll keep trying. Probably it's MIDI Yoke so I'll post over on that forum.

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What do you think about this? I don't know that it's Midi-Yoke, but I don't know how else to isolate Midi-Yoke so I can prove/disprove its involvement. Playback via SBLive soundfonts is fine, playback through Sonar and Livesynth as a MIDI project are fine. Only the playback from NWC via MIDI Yoke into Sonar seems to be sending the wrong channel and/or patch assignments.

TIA, as always. Your help is appreciated.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Dec 16^th, 2002, 11:40am

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What do you think about this? I don't know that it's Midi-Yoke, but I don't know how else to isolate Midi-Yoke so I can prove/disprove its involvement. Playback via SBLive soundfonts is fine, playback through Sonar and Livesynth as a MIDI project are fine. Only the playback from NWC via MIDI Yoke into Sonar seems to be sending the wrong channel and/or patch assignments.

It is very easy to determine this by inserting MIDI-OX in the chain, and looking at the data in the monitor. In MIDI-OX. choose MIDI Yoke 1 as your input device and MIDI Yoke 2 as your output device. In SONAR, substitute MIDI Yoke 2 for MIDI Yoke 1 as input (do not choose both of them). For each Note On appearing in the MIDI-OX monitor, there should be a corresponding Note Off (or Note On with 0 velocity).

We've never seen MIDI Yoke munge MIDI message data, but you should convince yourself about this.

I can't move part of a thread (only a whole thread) to a different topic, so you should just start a new thread in MIDI Yoke NT.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by appyface on Dec 16^th, 2002, 1:07pm

Thank you! Midi-OX shows that all is flowing correctly into Sonar and LiveSynth, so the problem must lie with either LiveSynth or Sonar. Off to write LiveSynth support first...

Thank you again for all the help. Sorry to have cluttered up this thread!! Will post in the correct forum if I should have anything further related to MIDI Yoke.

Thanks again.

Title: Re: MIDI Yoke does not appear after installation
Post by Jamie OConnell on Dec 19^th, 2002, 1:51pm

OK. I think this topic has grown to its useful limit now, and I'm going to lock it.